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[108.41.82.35]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 4sm47956677qak.11.2013.12.16.11.23.36 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 16 Dec 2013 11:23:36 -0800 (PST) From: brian@totaltraining.com To: "After Effects Mail List" Subject: Re[2]: [AE] When time for 4K TV/video Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 19:23:43 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------=_MB87402A23-B60E-45CC-AB69-C3E4D7E1C0B3" In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: brian@totaltraining.com User-Agent: eM_Client/5.0.19406.0 --------=_MB87402A23-B60E-45CC-AB69-C3E4D7E1C0B3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8 That first statement is not true here; Netflix HD looks much better than= =20 any broadcast station on our system... I use a PS3 or Apple TV as a=20 Netflix host, and am comparing it with Verizon HD... the Netflix stream=20 has better detail (especially in the shadows) and less noise in general=20 than broadcast. It's still not Blu-Ray, but it ain't bad. I do have a very fat internet pipe into the house so I'm sure that has=20 something to do with the quality. Brian ------ Original Message ------ From: "Jim Curtis" To: "After Effects Mail List" Sent: 12/16/2013 2:12:44 PM Subject: Re: [AE] When time for 4K TV/video >What they now call HD over Netflix (for example) is a joke as it is=20 >now. Fiber or satellite will be mandatory for real-time broadcast (and= =20 >not slow download to a local server as with the current Sony 4K), and=20 >it could be decades before everybody has either. Hopefully not=20 >satellite, because those antennae are visual blights on our landscape. > >Significant available content would be important to me, too. > >To me, HD isn't just about pixels=E2=80=A6 it's also about not seeing=20 >compression artifacts. I don't consider it HD if it's upscaled or=20 >blocky or time-smeared. But,what do I know? > >But, to the OP, the time to upgrade your gear IMO is when your clients=20 >are demanding it, and not a second sooner (unless you just like being=20 >the first kid on your block to have it, for which you pay a premium). > > >On Dec 16, 2013, at 11:08 AM, adam mercado wrote: > >>From what I understand, even basic HD uptake amongst general consumers= =20 >>has been pitifully slow, so I don't expect 4k to become a player=20 >>anytime soon. I also heard 3D TVs are already on their way out, as=20 >>they flopped in the marketplace. Joe Consumer is neither interested=20 >>nor educated enough to appreciate the difference. Big screen =3D better= =20 >>picture and that is all. If it takes off it will be with niche,=20 >>experts and hobbyists. Just my speculation. >> >> >>Adam Mercado >>Influxx Media Production >>Fullerton, CA >> >>Moving Images. For Business >>714=C2=B0928=C2=B09896 >>http://www.influxx.com/ >>http://www.twitter.com/influxx >>http://www.linkedin.com/in/influxx >>http://influxx.tumblr.com/archive >>http://www.flickr.com/photos/influxx >> >> >> >> >> >>On Dec 16, 2013, at 4:51 AM, Greg Balint wrote: >> >>>As an owner of a 1080p home theater projector as my main TV, with a=20 >>>135" screen and 1gb fiber optic ISP. I cannot welcome a new 4k=20 >>>overlord soon enough. >>> >>>I'd expect places like mine and also wherever Google fiber is=20 >>>installed will first start toying with 4k on demand videos to see the= =20 >>>usage patterns, etc. But I'd expect it'd be at least another 2-3=20 >>>years before it is more common place or at least more of a household=20 >>>word. >>> >>>///Greg Balint >>>//Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer >>>/321.514.4839 >>>delRAZOR.com/ >>> >>> >>>On Dec 16, 2013 7:44 AM, "Anders Sundstedt" =20 >>>wrote: >>>>Thanks Mylenium, >>>> >>>>I will read Stu=E2=80=99s article. >>>> >>>>They recently started advertising a 4K TV for sale on UK television,= =20 >>>>so I was thinking, what would they be able to use it for at the=20 >>>>moment. >>>> >>>>Thanks, >>>> >>>>Anders >>>> >>>>From:mylenium@mylenium.de >>>>Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 12:38 PM >>>>To:After Effects Mail List >>>>Subject: Re: [AE] When time for 4K TV/video >>>> >>>>You might want to read Stu Maschwitz' "4k in the home" article or=20 >>>>so.... It won't necessarily be better in terms what you actually=20 >>>>will see and so far no major broadcaster has announced any firm=20 >>>>plans. I believe they will use it to some effect during the soccer=20 >>>>world championships for crop & pan to HD, but beyond that I would=20 >>>>think 4k will be mostly a production format for some time. It's kind= =20 >>>>this weird situation where on a reasonably sized home screen you=20 >>>>won't be able to see much of a difference because your eye can't=20 >>>>keep up and compression will eradicate some of the sharpness while=20 >>>>at the same time only so many people will even have a flat/ condo/=20 >>>>room in their house where they could sit far enough from the screen=20 >>>>to actually draw benefits from 4k. Stu nails those points=20 >>>>perfectly... >>>>Mylenium >>>>[Pour Myl=C3=A8ne, ange sur terre] >>>>----------------------------------------- >>>>http://www.mylenium.de/ >>>>>Anders Sundstedt hat am 16. Dezember 2013=20 >>>>>um 13:28 geschrieben: >>>>> >>>>>Hi, >>>>>I am curious to know when you think 4K TV will become popular and=20 >>>>>when/what channels and what TV boxes will actually start=20 >>>>>broadcasting 4K. >>>>>I am also curious on how you would buy a 4K film, what home use=20 >>>>>formats and players would support this at the moment if any? >>>>>Same with internet/YouTube, when do you think something better than= =20 >>>>>1080p will be an option? >>>>>I have two reasons for asking this: 1) When is it time to consider=20 >>>>>making my animations in 4K, 2) when would it be any idea to upgrade= =20 >>>>>my TV from a 1080p to a 4K tv. >>>>>Thanks >>>>>Anders Sundstedt >>>>>http://sundstedt.co.uk/ >>>> >>>> >> > --------=_MB87402A23-B60E-45CC-AB69-C3E4D7E1C0B3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
That first statement is not true here; Netflix HD looks much better= than any broadcast station on our system... I use a PS3 or Apple TV as = a Netflix host, and am comparing it with Verizon HD... the Netflix stream= has better detail (especially in the shadows) and less noise in general= than broadcast. It's still not Blu-Ray, but it ain't bad.
 
I do have a very fat internet pipe into the house so I'm sure that = has something to do with the quality.

Brian
 
------ Original Message ------
From: "Jim Curtis" <jpcurtis@me.= com>
To: "After Effects Mail List" <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Sent: 12/16/2013 2:12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AE] When time for 4K TV/video
What they= now call HD over Netflix (for example) is a joke as it is now.  Fiber= or satellite will be mandatory for real-time broadcast (and not slow downl= oad to a local server as with the current Sony 4K), and it could be decades= before everybody has either.  Hopefully not satellite, because those= antennae are visual blights on our landscape.=20

Significant available content would be important to me, too.

To me, HD isn't just about pixels=E2=80=A6 it's also about not seeing= compression artifacts.  I don't consider it HD if it's upscaled or= blocky or time-smeared.  But,what do I know?

But, to the OP, the time to upgrade your gear IMO is when your clients= are demanding it, and not a second sooner (unless you just like being the= first kid on your block to have it, for which you pay a premium). 


On Dec 16, 2013, at 11:08 AM, adam mercado <adam@influxx.com> wrote:

From what I understand, even basic HD uptake = amongst general consumers has been pitifully slow, so I don't expect 4k = to become a player anytime soon. I also heard 3D TVs are already on their= way out, as they flopped in the marketplace. Joe Consumer is neither inter= ested nor educated enough to appreciate the difference. Big screen =3D bett= er picture and that is all. If it takes off it will be with niche, experts= and hobbyists. Just my speculation.=20



On Dec 16, 2013, at 4:51 AM, Greg Balint wrote:

As an owner of a 1080p home theater projector as my main TV,= with a 135" screen and 1gb fiber optic ISP. I cannot welcome a new 4k over= lord soon enough.

I'd expect places like mine and also wherever Google fiber = is installed will first start toying with 4k on demand videos to see the= usage patterns, etc. But I'd expect it'd be at least another 2-3 years = before it is more common place or at least more of a household word.

///Greg Balint
//Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer/321.514.4839
delRAZOR.com/
&nb= sp;  

On Dec 16, 2013 7:44 AM, "Anders Sundstedt" <sundstedt@hotmail.com> wrote:=
Thanks Mylenium,
 
I will read Stu=E2=80=99s article.
 
They recently started advertising a 4K TV for sale on UK television,= so I was thinking, what would they be able to use it for at the moment.
 
Thanks,
 
Anders
 
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AE] When time for 4K TV/video
 
You might want to read Stu Maschwitz' "4k in the home" article or so..= .. It won't necessarily be better in terms what you actually will see and= so far no major broadcaster has announced any firm plans. I believe they= will use it to some effect during the soccer world championships for crop= & pan to HD, but beyond that I would think 4k will be mostly a product= ion format for some time. It's kind this weird situation where on a reasona= bly sized home screen you won't be able to see much of a difference because= your eye can't keep up and compression will eradicate some of the sharpnes= s while at the same time only so many people will even have a flat/ condo/= room in their house where they could sit far enough from the screen to = actually draw benefits from 4k. Stu nails those points perfectly...
Mylenium
[Pour Myl=C3=A8ne, ange sur terre]
-------------------------------= ----------
http://www.mylenium.de/<= /A>
Anders Sundstedt <sundstedt@hotmail.com> hat am 16. = Dezember 2013 um 13:28 geschrieben:

Hi,
I am curious to know when you think 4K TV will become popular and when= /what channels and what TV boxes will actually start broadcasting 4K.
I am also curious on how you would buy a 4K film, what home use format= s and players would support this at the moment if any?
Same with internet/YouTube, when do you think something better than= 1080p will be an option?
I have two reasons for asking this: 1) When is it time to consider = making my animations in 4K, 2) when would it be any idea to upgrade my TV= from a 1080p to a 4K tv.
Thanks
Anders Sundstedt
=

 


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