Return-Path: Received: from mail-qc0-f181.google.com ([209.85.216.181] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5319361 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 23:39:18 +0100 Received: by mail-qc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id e9so4176245qcy.26 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 14:42:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=CPllUAdbRQ9QsO5ZFBe5C5jhJis0mhK5ShSxXCYzrBM=; b=f/sKCoqV2j0bzVlcf4b25SnlFVRtBjw+Fnm9w4Tkryvr2NyVDgcHuBkAWOtQAkkfai Og/YwHAXxp2zMB4sYYx0IucXqDF3Xy+gXrSrH/PdnWSrMEa9wUeKc7rqgNOjJRxYigcA X7VLgt7izNqzt29lInu3zGSA+qjlIRF57gSHHQcgYsXDojXY5OEQwmF12WRp/hfy/HlU /0XACHf9hQBBO2nWNr35DQIKiHWTFhAfS/DnfXvWTRnnICpcr8A6TtKZ6ikb97HXhcIQ TZXsya2tDwkP6449d6aXRIPA8aTwEfCLvd5Qbbj6pPrIHKE3MgwjnIZwAX1EY5L5wELr F1eA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.35.112 with SMTP id g16mr37015648qej.13.1387233730159; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 14:42:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.147.139 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 14:42:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.147.139 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 14:42:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 17:42:10 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Re[2]: [AE] When time for 4K TV/video From: Greg Balint To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b676f7cb4e72904edae85ac --047d7b676f7cb4e72904edae85ac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Same here Brian, and I agree. Aside from we'll masters Blu-Ray, its pretty clean. Not sure what bitrate my provider uses for TV stuff but its way up there too. YouTube and hulu are about the only sources I see compression in any more. ///Greg Balint //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer /321.514.4839 delRAZOR.com/ On Dec 16, 2013 2:25 PM, wrote: > That first statement is not true here; Netflix HD looks much better than > any broadcast station on our system... I use a PS3 or Apple TV as a Netfl= ix > host, and am comparing it with Verizon HD... the Netflix stream has bette= r > detail (especially in the shadows) and less noise in general than > broadcast. It's still not Blu-Ray, but it ain't bad. > > I do have a very fat internet pipe into the house so I'm sure that has > something to do with the quality. > > Brian > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Jim Curtis" > To: "After Effects Mail List" > Sent: 12/16/2013 2:12:44 PM > Subject: Re: [AE] When time for 4K TV/video > > What they now call HD over Netflix (for example) is a joke as it is now. > Fiber or satellite will be mandatory for real-time broadcast (and not sl= ow > download to a local server as with the current Sony 4K), and it could be > decades before everybody has either. Hopefully not satellite, because > those antennae are visual blights on our landscape. > > Significant available content would be important to me, too. > > To me, HD isn't just about pixels=85 it's also about not seeing compressi= on > artifacts. I don't consider it HD if it's upscaled or blocky or > time-smeared. But,what do I know? > > But, to the OP, the time to upgrade your gear IMO is when your clients ar= e > demanding it, and not a second sooner (unless you just like being the fir= st > kid on your block to have it, for which you pay a premium). > > > On Dec 16, 2013, at 11:08 AM, adam mercado wrote: > > From what I understand, even basic HD uptake amongst general consumers > has been pitifully slow, so I don't expect 4k to become a player anytime > soon. I also heard 3D TVs are already on their way out, as they flopped i= n > the marketplace. Joe Consumer is neither interested nor educated enough t= o > appreciate the difference. Big screen =3D better picture and that is all.= If > it takes off it will be with niche, experts and hobbyists. Just my > speculation. > > > *Adam Mercado* > Influxx Media Production > Fullerton, CA > > Moving Images. For Business > *714=B0928=B09896* > http://www.influxx.com/ > http://www.twitter.com/influxx > http://www.linkedin.com/in/influxx > http://influxx.tumblr.com/archive > http://www.flickr.com/photos/influxx > > > > > > On Dec 16, 2013, at 4:51 AM, Greg Balint wrote: > > As an owner of a 1080p home theater projector as my main TV, with a 135" > screen and 1gb fiber optic ISP. I cannot welcome a new 4k overlord soon > enough. > > I'd expect places like mine and also wherever Google fiber is installed > will first start toying with 4k on demand videos to see the usage pattern= s, > etc. But I'd expect it'd be at least another 2-3 years before it is more > common place or at least more of a household word. > > ///Greg Balint > //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer > /321.514.4839 > delRAZOR.com/ > > On Dec 16, 2013 7:44 AM, "Anders Sundstedt" wrote= : > >> Thanks Mylenium, >> >> I will read Stu=92s article. >> >> They recently started advertising a 4K TV for sale on UK television, so = I >> was thinking, what would they be able to use it for at the moment. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Anders >> >> *From:* mylenium@mylenium.de >> *Sent:* Monday, December 16, 2013 12:38 PM >> *To:* After Effects Mail List >> *Subject:* Re: [AE] When time for 4K TV/video >> >> You might want to read Stu Maschwitz' "4k in the home" article or >> so.... It won't necessarily be better in terms what you actually will se= e >> and so far no major broadcaster has announced any firm plans. I believe >> they will use it to some effect during the soccer world championships fo= r >> crop & pan to HD, but beyond that I would think 4k will be mostly a >> production format for some time. It's kind this weird situation where on= a >> reasonably sized home screen you won't be able to see much of a differen= ce >> because your eye can't keep up and compression will eradicate some of th= e >> sharpness while at the same time only so many people will even have a fl= at/ >> condo/ room in their house where they could sit far enough from the scre= en >> to actually draw benefits from 4k. Stu nails those points perfectly... >> Mylenium >> [Pour Myl=E8ne, ange sur terre] >> ----------------------------------------- >> http://www.mylenium.de/ >> >> Anders Sundstedt hat am 16. Dezember 2013 um >> 13:28 geschrieben: >> >> Hi, >> I am curious to know when you think 4K TV will become popular and >> when/what channels and what TV boxes will actually start broadcasting 4K= . >> I am also curious on how you would buy a 4K film, what home use formats >> and players would support this at the moment if any? >> Same with internet/YouTube, when do you think something better than >> 1080p will be an option? >> I have two reasons for asking this: 1) When is it time to consider >> making my animations in 4K, 2) when would it be any idea to upgrade my T= V >> from a 1080p to a 4K tv. >> Thanks >> Anders Sundstedt >> http://sundstedt.co.uk/ >> >> >> >> > > > --047d7b676f7cb4e72904edae85ac Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Same here Brian, and I agree. Aside from we'll masters B= lu-Ray, its pretty clean. Not sure what bitrate my provider uses for TV stu= ff but its way up there too. YouTube and hulu are about the only sources I = see compression in any more.

///Greg Balint
//Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer
/321.514.4839
delRAZOR.com/
=A0=A0=A0

On Dec 16, 2013 2:25 PM, <brian@totaltraining.com> wrote:
That first statement is not true here; Netflix HD looks much better th= an any broadcast station on our system... I use a PS3 or Apple TV as a Netf= lix host, and am comparing it with Verizon HD... the Netflix stream has bet= ter detail (especially in the shadows) and less noise in general than broad= cast. It's still not Blu-Ray, but it ain't bad.
=A0
I do have a very fat internet pipe into the house so I'm sure that= has something to do with the quality.

Brian
=A0
------ Original Message ------
From: "Jim Curtis" <jpcurtis@me.com>
To: "After Effects Mail List" <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Sent: 12/16/2013 2:12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AE] When time for 4K TV/video
What they now call HD over Netflix (for= example) is a joke as it is now. =A0Fiber or satellite will be mandatory f= or real-time broadcast (and not slow download to a local server as with the= current Sony 4K), and it could be decades before everybody has either. =A0= Hopefully not satellite, because those antennae are visual blights on our l= andscape.=20

Significant available content would be important to me, too.

To me, HD isn't just about pixels=85 it's also about not seein= g compression artifacts. =A0I don't consider it HD if it's upscaled= or blocky or time-smeared. =A0But,what do I know?

But, to the OP, the time to upgrade your gear IMO is when your clients= are demanding it, and not a second sooner (unless you just like being the = first kid on your block to have it, for which you pay a premium).=A0


On Dec 16, 2013, at 11:08 AM, adam mercado <adam@influxx.com> wrote:

From what I understand, even basic HD u= ptake amongst general consumers has been pitifully slow, so I don't exp= ect 4k to become a player anytime soon. I also heard 3D TVs are already on = their way out, as they flopped in the marketplace. Joe Consumer is neither = interested nor educated enough to appreciate the difference. Big screen =3D= better picture and that is all. If it takes off it will be with niche, exp= erts and hobbyists. Just my speculation.=20



On Dec 16, 2013, at 4:51 AM, Greg Balint wrote:

As an owner of a 1080p home theater projector as my main TV,= with a 135" screen and 1gb fiber optic ISP. I cannot welcome a new 4k= overlord soon enough.

I'd expect places like mine and also wherever Google fib= er is installed will first start toying with 4k on demand videos to see the= usage patterns, etc. But I'd expect it'd be at least another 2-3 y= ears before it is more common place or at least more of a household word. <= /p>

///Greg Balint
//Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer<= br>/3= 21.514.4839
delRA= ZOR.com/
=A0=A0=A0

On Dec 16, 2013 7:44 AM, "Anders Sundstedt&= quot; <sundst= edt@hotmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Mylenium,
=A0
I will read Stu=92s article.
=A0
They recently started advertising a 4K TV for sale on UK television, s= o I was thinking, what would they be able to use it for at the moment.
=A0
Thanks,
=A0
Anders
=A0
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AE] When time for 4K TV/video
=A0
You might want to read Stu Maschwitz' "4k in the home" a= rticle or so.... It won't necessarily be better in terms what you actua= lly will see and so far no major broadcaster has announced any firm plans. = I believe they will use it to some effect during the soccer world champions= hips for crop & pan to HD, but beyond that I would think 4k will be mos= tly a production format for some time. It's kind this weird situation w= here on a reasonably sized home screen you won't be able to see much of= a difference because your eye can't keep up and compression will eradi= cate some of the sharpness while at the same time only so many people will = even have a flat/ condo/ room in their house where they could sit far enoug= h from the screen to actually draw benefits from 4k. Stu nails those points= perfectly...
Mylenium
[Pour Myl=E8ne, ange sur terre]
----------------------------------= -------
http://ww= w.mylenium.de/
Anders Sundstedt <sundstedt@hotmail.com> hat am 16. Dezembe= r 2013 um 13:28 geschrieben:

Hi,
I am curious to know when you think 4K TV will become popular and when= /what channels and what TV boxes will actually start broadcasting 4K.
I am also curious on how you would buy a 4K film, what home use format= s and players would support this at the moment if any?
Same with internet/YouTube, when do you think something better than 10= 80p will be an option?
I have two reasons for asking this: 1) When is it time to consider mak= ing my animations in 4K, 2) when would it be any idea to upgrade my TV from= a 1080p to a 4K tv.
Thanks
Anders Sundstedt

=A0
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