Return-Path: Received: from [208.97.132.119] (HELO homiemail-a61.g.dreamhost.com) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5319395 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 00:31:23 +0100 Received: from homiemail-a61.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a61.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D3A57807B for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 15:34:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=influxx.com; h= mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:from :subject:date:to; s=influxx.com; bh=8kXqB8PAjp1I8iaA/b/tHCb5ya0= ; b=BP/SQkykixYNsf0JiqKLe0rdxIVdKxzyw2/VF1J6KIjdEaiKz5ZgdoKvrg8v 0mhTfj4GwNsCFWEuY4g9XUt5i1EEzI0zjwP+vL7oZVpNfjOQNNpWpl2KegSbew/z 5qtMiHNLoM0xWFGRJAUQvKt8FrTaIzbpqvP2tJ8kXKURDqs= Received: from [192.168.0.14] (cpe-98-148-138-81.socal.res.rr.com [98.148.138.81]) (Authenticated sender: adam@influxx.com) by homiemail-a61.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B0E4D578059 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 15:34:15 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9-907761781 Message-Id: <8F66C5E0-C9BC-4C06-AAC9-EE225239C190@influxx.com> From: adam mercado Subject: Re: [AE] When time for 4K TV/video Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 15:34:14 -0800 To: "After Effects Mail List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) --Apple-Mail-9-907761781 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Yeah, beautifully elicited Jim. Exactly what you said! Adam Mercado Influxx Media Production Fullerton, CA Moving Images. For Business 714=B0928=B09896 http://www.influxx.com http://www.twitter.com/influxx http://www.linkedin.com/in/influxx http://influxx.tumblr.com/archive http://www.flickr.com/photos/influxx On Dec 16, 2013, at 11:12 AM, Jim Curtis wrote: > What they now call HD over Netflix (for example) is a joke as it is =20= > now. Fiber or satellite will be mandatory for real-time broadcast =20 > (and not slow download to a local server as with the current Sony =20 > 4K), and it could be decades before everybody has either. =20 > Hopefully not satellite, because those antennae are visual blights =20 > on our landscape. > > Significant available content would be important to me, too. > > To me, HD isn't just about pixels=85 it's also about not seeing =20 > compression artifacts. I don't consider it HD if it's upscaled or =20 > blocky or time-smeared. But,what do I know? > > But, to the OP, the time to upgrade your gear IMO is when your =20 > clients are demanding it, and not a second sooner (unless you just =20 > like being the first kid on your block to have it, for which you =20 > pay a premium). > > > On Dec 16, 2013, at 11:08 AM, adam mercado wrote: > >> =46rom what I understand, even basic HD uptake amongst general =20 >> consumers has been pitifully slow, so I don't expect 4k to become =20 >> a player anytime soon. I also heard 3D TVs are already on their =20 >> way out, as they flopped in the marketplace. Joe Consumer is =20 >> neither interested nor educated enough to appreciate the =20 >> difference. Big screen =3D better picture and that is all. If it =20 >> takes off it will be with niche, experts and hobbyists. Just my =20 >> speculation. >> >> >> Adam Mercado >> Influxx Media Production >> Fullerton, CA >> >> Moving Images. For Business >> 714=B0928=B09896 >> http://www.influxx.com >> http://www.twitter.com/influxx >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/influxx >> http://influxx.tumblr.com/archive >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/influxx >> >> >> >> >> >> On Dec 16, 2013, at 4:51 AM, Greg Balint wrote: >> >>> As an owner of a 1080p home theater projector as my main TV, with =20= >>> a 135" screen and 1gb fiber optic ISP. I cannot welcome a new 4k =20 >>> overlord soon enough. >>> >>> I'd expect places like mine and also wherever Google fiber is =20 >>> installed will first start toying with 4k on demand videos to see =20= >>> the usage patterns, etc. But I'd expect it'd be at least another =20 >>> 2-3 years before it is more common place or at least more of a =20 >>> household word. >>> >>> ///Greg Balint >>> //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer >>> /321.514.4839 >>> delRAZOR.com/ >>> >>> >>> On Dec 16, 2013 7:44 AM, "Anders Sundstedt" =20 >>> wrote: >>> Thanks Mylenium, >>> >>> I will read Stu=92s article. >>> >>> They recently started advertising a 4K TV for sale on UK =20 >>> television, so I was thinking, what would they be able to use it =20 >>> for at the moment. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Anders >>> >>> From: mylenium@mylenium.de >>> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 12:38 PM >>> To: After Effects Mail List >>> Subject: Re: [AE] When time for 4K TV/video >>> >>> You might want to read Stu Maschwitz' "4k in the home" article or =20= >>> so.... It won't necessarily be better in terms what you actually =20 >>> will see and so far no major broadcaster has announced any firm =20 >>> plans. I believe they will use it to some effect during the =20 >>> soccer world championships for crop & pan to HD, but beyond that =20 >>> I would think 4k will be mostly a production format for some =20 >>> time. It's kind this weird situation where on a reasonably sized =20 >>> home screen you won't be able to see much of a difference because =20= >>> your eye can't keep up and compression will eradicate some of the =20= >>> sharpness while at the same time only so many people will even =20 >>> have a flat/ condo/ room in their house where they could sit far =20 >>> enough from the screen to actually draw benefits from 4k. Stu =20 >>> nails those points perfectly... >>> Mylenium >>> [Pour Myl=E8ne, ange sur terre] >>> ----------------------------------------- >>> www.mylenium.de >>>> Anders Sundstedt hat am 16. Dezember =20 >>>> 2013 um 13:28 geschrieben: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> I am curious to know when you think 4K TV will become popular =20 >>>> and when/what channels and what TV boxes will actually start =20 >>>> broadcasting 4K. >>>> I am also curious on how you would buy a 4K film, what home use =20 >>>> formats and players would support this at the moment if any? >>>> Same with internet/YouTube, when do you think something better =20 >>>> than 1080p will be an option? >>>> I have two reasons for asking this: 1) When is it time to =20 >>>> consider making my animations in 4K, 2) when would it be any =20 >>>> idea to upgrade my TV from a 1080p to a 4K tv. >>>> Thanks >>>> Anders Sundstedt >>>> http://sundstedt.co.uk >>> >>> >> > --Apple-Mail-9-907761781 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Yeah, beautifully elicited Jim. Exactly what you = said!



On Dec 16, 2013, at 11:12 AM, Jim Curtis = wrote:

What they now call HD over Netflix (for example) is a joke = as it is now.  Fiber or satellite will be mandatory for real-time = broadcast (and not slow download to a local server as with the current = Sony 4K), and it could be decades before everybody has either. =  Hopefully not satellite, because those antennae are visual blights = on our landscape.

Significant available content would = be important to me, too.

To me, HD isn't just = about pixels=85 it's also about not seeing compression artifacts. =  I don't consider it HD if it's upscaled or blocky or time-smeared. =  But,what do I know?

But, to the OP, the = time to upgrade your gear IMO is when your clients are demanding it, and = not a second sooner (unless you just like being the first kid on your = block to have it, for which you pay a = premium). 


On Dec 16, 2013, = at 11:08 AM, adam mercado <adam@influxx.com> = wrote:

=46rom what I = understand, even basic HD uptake amongst general consumers has been = pitifully slow, so I don't expect 4k to become a player anytime soon. I = also heard 3D TVs are already on their way out, as they flopped in the = marketplace. Joe Consumer is neither interested nor educated enough to = appreciate the difference. Big screen =3D better picture and that is = all. If it takes off it will be with niche, experts and hobbyists. Just = my speculation.



On Dec = 16, 2013, at 4:51 AM, Greg Balint wrote:

As an owner of a 1080p home theater projector as my main TV, = with a 135" screen and 1gb fiber optic ISP. I cannot welcome a new 4k = overlord soon enough.

I'd expect places like mine and = also wherever Google fiber is installed will first start toying with 4k = on demand videos to see the usage patterns, etc. But I'd expect it'd be = at least another 2-3 years before it is more common place or at least = more of a household word.

///Greg Balint
//Art = Director / Motion Graphics Designer
/321.514.4839
delRAZOR.com/
    =

On Dec 16, 2013 7:44 AM, "Anders = Sundstedt" <sundstedt@hotmail.com> = wrote:
=
Thanks = Mylenium,
 
I will read Stu=92s = article.
 
They recently started advertising = a 4K TV for sale on UK television, so I was thinking, what would they be = able to use it for at the moment.
 
=
Thanks,
 
Anders
 
=
Sent: = Monday, December 16, 2013 12:38 PM
=
Subject: Re: [AE] When time for 4K = TV/video
 
You might want to = read Stu Maschwitz' "4k in the home" article or so.... It won't = necessarily be better in terms what you actually will see and so far no = major broadcaster has announced any firm plans. I believe they will use = it to some effect during the soccer world championships for crop & = pan to HD, but beyond that I would think 4k will be mostly a production = format for some time. It's kind this weird situation where on a = reasonably sized home screen you won't be able to see much of a = difference because your eye can't keep up and compression will eradicate = some of the sharpness while at the same time only so many people will = even have a flat/ condo/ room in their house where they could sit far = enough from the screen to actually draw benefits from 4k. Stu nails = those points perfectly...
Mylenium
=
[Pour Myl=E8ne, ange sur terre] =
-----------------------------------------
www.mylenium.de =
Anders Sundstedt = <sundstedt@hotmail.com> hat am 16. Dezember = 2013 um 13:28 geschrieben:

Hi,
=
I am curious to know when you think 4K TV will become = popular and when/what channels and what TV boxes will actually start = broadcasting 4K.
I am also curious on how = you would buy a 4K film, what home use formats and players would = support this at the moment if any?
Same with = internet/YouTube, when do you think something better than 1080p will = be an option?
I have two reasons for asking = this: 1) When is it time to consider making my animations in 4K, 2) = when would it be any idea to upgrade my TV from a 1080p to a 4K tv. =
Thanks
Anders = Sundstedt

  =
=

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