Return-Path: Received: from mail-qc0-f171.google.com ([209.85.216.171] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5320634 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 07:05:40 +0100 Received: by mail-qc0-f171.google.com with SMTP id c9so5770680qcz.2 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 22:08:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=bVc2WnqG19xhMgCFLXvvhWNhtBYsrShJ/mF9MythLiE=; b=ven6dEJc0E4WqItvUHXY2VKy96f+gj47ZY0ADxMQPcDofyuJpZJf+R3CtDhnSCs3HG q9GkBFdQNfW0WlRe6bPjlPgqc+MU/aR2x/0L4In1jTzNyHCCM0R5Cf2nlnmrDJPvCo/N fPdp/imZSxEY8adnsAKqjpjxYELfgG33nKfOBeoaoDQAfdTyrtNQnTRZ+aetVTdo3zKu jNhN6o5Yc9hOK5l9v0n6M55/T3GVVOl5335Pcuo9c+yO054sDUG/7/oqCEMy418Q65e3 8oX6ze3hak3fwG5NTWr8gl/Q0F+GWg7u1krrg9LkrGHJWSCqwRUHz1zzZ/+JPRpD939h WYRg== X-Received: by 10.49.52.34 with SMTP id q2mr50411354qeo.10.1387346913509; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 22:08:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.96.16.102 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 22:07:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Teddy Gage Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 01:07:53 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] When time for 4K TV/video To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bea3f34f5c48204edc8dfe8 --047d7bea3f34f5c48204edc8dfe8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Totally off-topic, but I just upgraded from a Panasonic AE 2000u to an 8000u, They are under $2k with a rebate. you gotta see it to believe it. It's a pretty spectacular upgrade in terms of brightness and clarity, and it's a tax writeoff. Nice seeing your work on a 110" screen. Sometimes it doesn't translate the same way even on a nice color graded monitor. The difference between bluray and download / netflix is quite obvious. Whoever did the Breaking Bad blu rays mastered them right, especially from season 3 onward. I didn't get it because it had 3D, but that is a bonus, we've watched a couple 3D movies and they are hit or miss. Star Trek Into Darkness looked great. And for my 2c on 4k: it will take off if there's good content and the price comes down. Content is king. But considering my aunt still has her HDTV hooked up with composite cables it's gonna be a loooong time before it becomes a standard for your average person. Most people think DVDs look just fine. On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Gary Reisman wrote: > I see 4k as being a great format for Digital Cinema and high end Home > Theater, where I think it will dominate, but that's about it. - as those > are the two areas that will truly benefit from such a high quality picture. > > Otherwise, my guess would be "It aint gunna happen anytime soon", and even > that might be generous. (as opposed to "it aint ever gunna happen") > > Not that I don't want to see it happening, but I just don't see a market > for it - consumers aren't clamoring for higher than HD TV. > hell, 3d movies are huge now, but even that doesn't seem to be taking of > too well i the home (ESPN is shutting down it's 3d sports network, not > enough viewers wanted it). > > If there's a 4k television that cost $1500, next to a 1080p selling for > $999, consumers will always go for the cheaper set unless they can be sold > on the benefits (didn't quite work for Beta vs VHS) > But heck, perhaps over many many years, the price of 4k TV's will be > reasonable, and 4k movies will be available (on BluRay?) or relatively easy > to download. > > But Broadcasters and TV stations will not want to replace their gear > (which was aHUGE when they went digital 10 years ago, which they were > forced to do by the Govt as well! that won't happen with 4k) > and you can bet on it that DirecTV and Dish have no desire to launch new > Satellites and upgrade home receivers anytime soon. > Cable networks won't want to switch either (except for Time Warner Cable > I imagine, bastards might really want an excuse to make users pay $60++ > for "extreme" internet!@# )) > > Higher than MP3 quality audio has been available, but that's never taken > off either, users are content with moderately compressed MP3's over > DVD-Audio (remember when that was brought out?) > > When was the last time any of you watched a show on ABC, Fox, .or a game > on ESPN or FoxSports and complained that it wasn't as sharp because it was > only 720p, .. compared to 1080 that has 50% more pixels? > that's where we're at right now, everyone is peach happy with 1080p just > as they are with the music on their iPods and iTunes. > > I've only got a 106" projection screen at my home, and while i'm sure a 4k > picture would look insane - the picture I have now is superb and looks > about as good as a real movie theater (from a 4 year old $2,000 Panasonic > AE3000) > > I'm def not too up to speed on all that's going on with 4k technology, > but I'm just not drooling over it nearly as much as I was when HDTV became > available, when I eagerly spent $4k+ on a rear CRT projection 65" that was > barely over 720p in resolution!@# > (can't even give those away) > > -Gary > > > On Dec 16, 2013, at 4:28 AM, Anders Sundstedt > wrote: > > Hi, > > I am curious to know when you think 4K TV will become popular and > when/what channels and what TV boxes will actually start broadcasting 4K. > > I am also curious on how you would buy a 4K film, what home use formats > and players would support this at the moment if any? > > Same with internet/YouTube, when do you think something better than 1080p > will be an option? > > I have two reasons for asking this: 1) When is it time to consider making > my animations in 4K, 2) when would it be any idea to upgrade my TV from a > 1080p to a 4K tv. > > Thanks > > Anders Sundstedt > http://sundstedt.co.uk > > -- VFX & Motion Graphic artist NEW - teddygage.com --047d7bea3f34f5c48204edc8dfe8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Totally off-topic, but I just upgraded from a Panasonic AE= 2000u to an 8000u, They are under $2k with a rebate. you gotta see it to b= elieve it. It's a pretty spectacular upgrade in terms of brightness and= clarity, and it's a tax writeoff. Nice seeing your work on a 110"= screen. Sometimes it doesn't translate the same way even on a nice col= or graded monitor. The difference between bluray and download / netflix is = quite obvious. Whoever did the Breaking Bad blu rays mastered them right, e= specially from season 3 onward. I didn't get it because it had 3D, but = that is a bonus, we've watched a couple 3D movies and they are hit or m= iss. Star Trek Into Darkness looked great.=A0

And for my 2c on 4k: it will take off if there's good co= ntent and the price comes down. Content is king. But considering my aunt st= ill has her HDTV hooked up with composite cables it's gonna be a loooon= g time before it becomes a standard for your average person. Most people th= ink DVDs look just fine.=A0


On Wed,= Dec 18, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Gary Reisman <garyreisman@mac.com> wrote:
I see 4k= as being a great format for Digital Cinema and high end Home Theater, wher= e I think it will dominate, but that's about it. - as those are the two= areas that will truly benefit from such a high quality picture.

Otherwise, my guess would be "It aint gunna happen anyt= ime soon", and even that might be generous. (as opposed to "it ai= nt ever gunna happen")

Not that I don't w= ant to see it happening, =A0but I just don't see a market for it - =A0c= onsumers aren't clamoring for higher than HD TV.
hell, 3d movies are huge now, =A0but even that doesn't seem to be = taking of too well i the home =A0(ESPN is shutting down it's 3d sports = network, not enough viewers wanted it).

If there&#= 39;s a 4k television that cost $1500, =A0next to a 1080p selling for $999, = =A0consumers will always go for the cheaper set unless they can be sold on = the benefits (didn't quite work for Beta vs VHS)
But heck, perhaps over many many years, the price of 4k TV's will = be reasonable, and 4k movies will be available (on BluRay?) or relatively e= asy to download.

But Broadcasters and TV stations = will not want to replace their gear (which was aHUGE when they went digital= 10 years ago, which they were forced to do by the Govt as well! that won&#= 39;t happen with 4k)
=A0and you can bet on it that DirecTV and Dish have no desire to launc= h new Satellites and upgrade home receivers anytime soon.
Cable n= etworks won't want to switch either =A0(except for Time Warner Cable I = imagine, =A0bastards might really want an excuse to make users pay $60++ fo= r "extreme" internet!@# ))

Higher than MP3 quality audio has been available, but t= hat's never taken off either, users are content with moderately compres= sed MP3's over DVD-Audio (remember when that was brought out?)

When was the last time any of you watched a show on ABC= , Fox, .or a game on ESPN or FoxSports and complained that it wasn't as= sharp because it was only 720p, =A0.. compared to 1080 that has 50% more p= ixels?
that's where we're at right now, =A0everyone is peach happy wi= th 1080p just as they are with the music on their iPods and iTunes.

I've only got a 106" projection screen at my hom= e, and while i'm sure a 4k picture would look insane - =A0the picture I= have now is superb and looks about as good as a real movie theater =A0(fro= m a 4 year old $2,000 =A0Panasonic AE3000)

I'm def not too up to speed on all that's going= on with 4k technology, =A0but I'm just not drooling over it nearly as = much as I was when HDTV became available, when I eagerly spent $4k+ on a re= ar CRT projection 65" that was barely over 720p in resolution!@#
(can't even give those away)

-Gary


On Dec 16, 2013, at 4:28 AM, Ande= rs Sundstedt <sundstedt@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
=A0
I = am curious to know when you think 4K TV will become popular and when/what c= hannels and what TV boxes will actually start broadcasting 4K.
=A0
I am also curious on how you would buy a 4K film, what h= ome use formats and players would support this at the moment if any?
<= div>=A0
Same with internet/YouTube, when do you think something b= etter than 1080p will be an option?
=A0
I have two reasons for asking this: 1) When is it time t= o consider making my animations in 4K, 2) when would it be any idea to upgr= ade my TV from a 1080p to a 4K tv.
=A0
Thanks
=A0
Anders Sundstedt



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