Return-Path: Received: from atl4mhob05.myregisteredsite.com ([209.17.115.43] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5324958 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 20:56:47 +0100 Received: from mailpod.hostingplatform.com ([10.30.71.204]) by atl4mhob05.myregisteredsite.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rBKJxktU019385 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 14:59:46 -0500 Received: (qmail 15346 invoked by uid 0); 20 Dec 2013 19:59:46 -0000 X-TCPREMOTEIP: 24.73.238.28 X-Authenticated-UID: dsd@darkskydigital.com Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (dsd@darkskydigital.com@24.73.238.28) by 0 with ESMTPA; 20 Dec 2013 19:59:46 -0000 From: Dann Stubbs Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-21--906991056 Subject: Re: [AE] (OT) New Mac Pro - Who's getting it? Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 14:59:45 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: <88E85D57-6873-4688-B5EA-BAB120332215@darkskydigital.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) --Apple-Mail-21--906991056 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Not interested in starting any mac vs. pc debate, but unless you = have unlimited money they don't really make much sense. I'm not sure = exactly who Apple designed them for.=20 what you are witnessing is what i call the millionaire bubble - too many = people at apple are too rich and out of touch with reality and the = "common" people. it happens in many industries, american car companies, software = companies, and governments... when you get surrounded by yes men, or = surround yourself with people who think exactly the same way then you = can't see anything other then what "you" think is best and a good thing. personally i think apple really screwed up (yet again) you would think = they would have learned with the cube, among other product failures like = the 20th anniversary mac - but when your not limited by budget (stock = options worth millions) and use your $10,000 computer for checking = email, web surfing, facebook and tweeting - this is what you get. what makes me nuts too is my three kids all want a laptop - the cheapest = apple one is really $1200, when you can go to walmart or office store = and there is a row of 15" laptops for $400-$500 - sure it's Windows and = the issues associated with it, but it's plenty of performance for what = kids need/want for writing papers, web surfing and checking email, even = watching DVD/netflix etc... anybody under 30 doesn't even remember when Sony was the master of = consumer electronics in the 1980's and where are they now? give it = another 10 years and we will probably be seeing apple the same way. sad. ___________________________________________________________________ Dann Stubbs - dann@darkskydigital.com Dark Sky Digital - http://www.darkskydigital.com http://www.RenderKing.com Value Priced C4D, VRAY Render Farm ___________________________________________________________________ On Dec 20, 2013, at 1:31 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: > Not interested in starting any mac vs. pc debate, but unless you = have unlimited money they don't really make much sense. I'm not sure = exactly who Apple designed them for. Freelancers can't afford them (256 = GB SSD and 16 GB RAM for $2999? no thanks) and big studios want = something better without the hardware limitations and tangle of = thunderbolt cables and breakout boxes. Not to mention lack of ability to = self-service. Can you imagine if there is, say, a graphics card failure = and it's a minimum 2 week period to send the machine back to apple = because it's soldered in place to the mobo, while on a project? No = studio would risk that.=20 >=20 > I imagine they are mainly for rich nerds to show off?=20 >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:20 PM, David Torno = wrote: > Our office was reviewing pricing and specs. They are WAY over priced = for what you get. A single machine was coming in at 7-10k for anything = worth while for production work. We are sticking with our current macs = for now, with plans on moving to PC possibly. 10k for PC can at least = get us a monster machine, not just a tiny shiny one. >=20 > David Torno > Visual Effects Professional > http://www.ghosttownmedia.com > O: 213.739.2290 > C: 818.391.6060 > -------------------- > http://www.sydefxink.com > http://aeioweyou.blogspot.com > http://mactex.blogspot.com >=20 > "The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh" > -Charles Field >=20 > On Dec 20, 2013, at 10:13 AM, Robert Houghton = wrote: >=20 >> Hi all, >>=20 >> I'm planning on doing an upgrade next year and I'm wondering = if I should even think of getting a Mac Pro. I do the usual AE and 3D = stuff most folks do here and when you put up the performance levels at = least on a macintosh basis, a maxed out iMac seems to perform pretty = favorably compared to CUBEtwo the sequel (I kinda miss that old clear = plastic box) as well as including a really nice retina monitor. Is = anyone planning on getting a pro and why do you want that over something = else? >>=20 >> -Rob >>=20 >> +---End of message---+ >> To unsubscribe send any message to >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > VFX & Motion Graphic artist > NEW - teddygage.com >=20 --Apple-Mail-21--906991056 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
    =  Not interested in starting any mac vs. pc debate, but unless you = have unlimited money they don't really make much sense. I'm not sure = exactly who Apple designed them = for. 


what you are = witnessing is what i call the millionaire bubble - too many people at = apple are too rich and out of touch with reality and the "common" = people.

it happens in many industries, american = car companies, software companies, and governments... when you get = surrounded by yes men, or surround yourself with people who think = exactly the same way then you can't see anything other then what "you" = think is best and a good thing.

personally i = think apple really screwed up (yet again) you would think they would = have learned with the cube, among other product failures like the 20th = anniversary mac - but when your not limited by budget (stock options = worth millions) and use your $10,000 computer for checking email, web = surfing, facebook and tweeting - this is what you = get.

what makes me nuts too is my three kids = all want a laptop - the cheapest apple one is really $1200, when you can = go to walmart or office store and there is a row of 15" laptops for = $400-$500 - sure it's Windows and the issues associated with it, but = it's plenty of performance for what kids need/want for writing papers, = web surfing and checking email, even watching DVD/netflix = etc...

anybody under 30 doesn't even remember = when Sony was the master of consumer electronics in the 1980's and where = are they now? give it another 10 years and we will probably be seeing = apple the same = way.

sad.


Dann = Stubbs  -  dann@darkskydigital.com
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On Dec 20, 2013, at 1:31 PM, Teddy Gage wrote:

     Not interested in starting any mac = vs. pc debate, but unless you have unlimited money they don't really = make much sense. I'm not sure exactly who Apple designed them for. = Freelancers can't afford them (256 GB SSD and 16 GB RAM for $2999? no = thanks) and big studios want something better without the hardware = limitations and tangle of thunderbolt cables and breakout boxes. Not to = mention lack of ability to self-service. Can you imagine if there is, = say, a graphics card failure and it's a minimum 2 week period to send = the machine back to apple because it's soldered in place to the mobo, = while on a project? No studio would risk that.

I imagine they are mainly for rich nerds to show off?


On Fri, Dec 20, = 2013 at 1:20 PM, David Torno <torno@sydefxink.com> wrote:
Our office was reviewing pricing and specs. They are = WAY over priced for what you get. A single machine was coming in at = 7-10k for anything worth while for production work. We are sticking with = our current macs for now, with plans on moving to PC possibly. 10k for = PC can at least get us a monster machine, not just a tiny shiny one.

David Torno
Visual Effects Professional
--------------------
http://www.sydefxink.com

"The most useless day is that in which we = do not laugh"
-Charles = Field

On Dec 20, 2013, = at 10:13 AM, Robert Houghton <gfxguy74@gmail.com> wrote:

   Hi = all,

=        I'm planning on doing an = upgrade next year and I'm wondering if I should even think of getting a = Mac Pro. I do the usual AE and 3D stuff most folks do here and when you = put up the performance levels at least on a macintosh basis, a maxed out = iMac seems to perform pretty favorably compared to CUBEtwo the sequel (I = kinda miss that old clear plastic box) as well as including a really = nice retina monitor. Is anyone planning on getting a pro and why do you = want that over something else?

=        -Rob

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