Return-Path: Received: from [208.97.132.207] (HELO homiemail-a102.g.dreamhost.com) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5324981 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 21:08:35 +0100 Received: from homiemail-a102.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a102.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82D9B2005D10D for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 12:11:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=desilence.net; h=from :content-type:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:references:to :in-reply-to; s=desilence.net; bh=GWoHGAWAtchPyeeRb8fMM0GW7Js=; b= W/dpcyqbZ50BoLWgukcRzmkjCx2zZMloOd10n8Bx83Re4EUBG4A7ny3zg7W9Dxaj szrN2MYjSvVXhODfWW2wW/7p8kmBUFK2hnmyzwsAOETlva8fLVEBBMHvvS1z9/mA 9f/xhT+nTEHgMOkpuhJGRRcUaK/G8I2Db4P25ysioAE= Received: from [192.168.1.36] (115.Red-79-156-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net [79.156.34.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: soren@dslnc.com) by homiemail-a102.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 927AF2005D109 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 12:11:32 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Christensen?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C4B5563D-855B-47BC-B811-9BC28CBB9226" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) Subject: Re: [AE] (OT) New Mac Pro - Who's getting it? Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 21:11:33 +0100 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1827) --Apple-Mail=_C4B5563D-855B-47BC-B811-9BC28CBB9226 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I was trying to configure a HP Z workstation and a Boxx workstation with = the same specs (cpu, gfx card etc)as the new mac pro. They ticked in between 38-51% more expensive than a new mac pro. With = normal sata6 ssdnand with smaller category gfx cards (And off course = pcie slots). With one gfx card they where still expensiverl... I find it quite odd that people are ranting about how expensive the mac = is maxed out when pc counterparts cost the same or a lot more for the = same configuration. In my case the mac pro comes as a blessing and the form factor is very = welcome. I do a lot of live visuals and virtual scenography where gpu = performance and multiple (more than 3) outputs is a must. And super fast = ssd speeds to handle xx amounts of realtime hd video layers a necessity. = This small wine-cooler-look-a-like design (Bodum, anyone?) fits in the = hand luggage. Touring with mac pros has become fun again :-) Looking forward to see some real world cpu and gpu tests. What has been = clear for a long time is that gpu power is the new 'black'. Lets hope = that the all-in bet on opencl pays off. Cheers, S=F8ren |||| DESILENCE STUDIO |||| www.dslnc.com - motion & interactivity |||| +34 93 268 0953 / +34 61 555 9963 (mobile) |||| SOCIAL |||| twitter.dslnc.com facebook.dslnc.com |||| SHOWREEL 2013 |||| v5.dslnc.com/reel/ On 20 Dec 2013, at 20:20, dennis@reelsolutions.com wrote: >> You say "Not interested in starting any mac vs. pc debate..." Then=20 >> "I imagine they are mainly for rich nerds to show off?" ... Ok... >=20 > Count me in as a rich nerd I guess - I'll be buying one. I've never = regretted buying a Mac, when I've gotten a bad one (1 in 16+years, = they've been great at correcting the problem). >=20 > I've made a couple PC purchases I'd rather not go into...=20 >=20 > Why make an assumption how long it will take to get repaired? I had a = MacPro way out of warranty that had a power supply go bad; I guess they = didn't have the part because they gave me a brand new base model MacPro = for no charge at all, they didn't even charge for the diagnostic fee. = (And they let me pay the difference to upgrade it to the fastest = MacPro). What a waste of money! > This was for a 4+ yr old machine, they weren't obligated to do = anything. Time to receive the new machine was about a week ( mainly = because I requested a non-stocked configuration). >=20 > HP wants $3,749 for the 12 core Xeon chip, they're not cheap. >=20 > 800.00 to upgrade from a 256GB SSD isn't bad considering it will do = 1200 MB/s. To match that speed, you can't really replicate it easily = (RAID adds latency). >=20 > mho... Dennis Wilkins --Apple-Mail=_C4B5563D-855B-47BC-B811-9BC28CBB9226 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/html"; boundary="Apple-Mail=_36D8CBEE-DDF4-42B6-BFEA-3AE4323084DC" --Apple-Mail=_36D8CBEE-DDF4-42B6-BFEA-3AE4323084DC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1

I was trying to configure a HP Z = workstation and a Boxx workstation with the same specs (cpu, gfx card = etc)as the new mac pro.
They ticked in between 38-51% more = expensive than a new mac pro. With normal sata6 ssdnand  with = smaller category gfx cards (And off course pcie slots).
With = one gfx card they where still expensiverl...
I find it quite = odd that people are ranting about how expensive the mac is maxed out = when pc counterparts cost the same or a lot more for the same = configuration.

In my case the mac pro comes as = a blessing and the form factor is very welcome. I do a lot of live = visuals and virtual scenography where gpu performance and multiple (more = than 3) outputs is a must. And super fast ssd speeds to handle xx = amounts of realtime hd video layers a necessity. This small = wine-cooler-look-a-like  design (Bodum, anyone?) fits in the hand = luggage. Touring with mac pros has become fun again = :-)

Looking forward to see some real world cpu = and gpu tests. What has been clear for a long time is that gpu power is = the new 'black'. Lets hope that the all-in bet on opencl pays = off.


Cheers,
S=F8ren








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On 20 Dec 2013, at 20:20, dennis@reelsolutions.com = wrote:

You say "Not interested in starting any mac vs. pc debate..." = Then 
"I imagine they are mainly for rich nerds to show off?" = ... Ok...

Count me in as a rich nerd I guess - I'll be = buying one. I've never regretted buying a Mac, when I've gotten a bad = one (1 in 16+years, they've been great at correcting the = problem).

I've made a couple PC purchases I'd = rather not go into... 

Why make an = assumption how long it will take to get repaired? I had a MacPro way out = of warranty that had a power supply go bad; I guess they didn't have the = part because they gave me a brand new base model MacPro for no charge at = all, they didn't even charge for the diagnostic fee. (And they let me = pay the difference to upgrade it to the fastest MacPro). What a waste of = money!
This was for a 4+ yr old machine, they weren't = obligated to do anything. Time to receive the new machine was about a = week ( mainly because I requested a non-stocked = configuration).

HP wants $3,749 for the 12 core = Xeon chip, they're not cheap.

800.00 to = upgrade from a 256GB SSD isn't bad considering it will do 1200 MB/s. To = match that speed, you can't really replicate it easily (RAID adds = latency).

mho... Dennis = Wilkins

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