Return-Path: Received: from atl4mhob08.myregisteredsite.com ([209.17.115.46] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5325071 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 21:44:13 +0100 Received: from mailpod.hostingplatform.com ([10.30.71.206]) by atl4mhob08.myregisteredsite.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rBKKlCB0032413 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 15:47:12 -0500 Received: (qmail 19836 invoked by uid 0); 20 Dec 2013 20:47:12 -0000 X-TCPREMOTEIP: 24.73.238.28 X-Authenticated-UID: dsd@darkskydigital.com Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (dsd@darkskydigital.com@24.73.238.28) by 0 with ESMTPA; 20 Dec 2013 20:47:12 -0000 From: Dann Stubbs Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-22--904144739 Subject: Re: [AE] (OT) New Mac Pro - Who's getting it? Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 15:47:11 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: <870503FB-A13E-49AE-9D55-6F2B0B7D5B4D@darkskydigital.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) --Apple-Mail-22--904144739 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 the "idea" is it - you got that right... people need to look around right NOW at things and see their needs. EC2? look at your projects - how many GB are they? now you want to run = that over your network up your ISP limited data rate to process on EC2? = maybe 5% of the people in the US have a fast enough ISP rate to make = that possible... to buy a computer today based on something that will = probably not be a real solution for 5 more years is not smart. then the ISP's are starting to charge more for data caps, overages etc - = soon your ISP/network bill will be adding overage fees once too many = users start moving tens to hundreds of GB a month around to the dream of = remote processing like EC2. and for those who think these all in one macs are great - just for grins = - seriously answer this question publicly for others knowledge or think = it to yourself and see your reply (i love my macs, but it is very = expensive to have preparations for 24/7/365 with them) answer this. right now. bam your workstation goes down. dead, won't boot. could be = power supply dead, could be motherboard dead - it is unresponsive. what do you do? how long before you are working again? you could be in the middle of your biggest project of the year, deadline = is today 5PM before everyone goes on christmas or end of year holiday = vacations - what do you do? dann ___________________________________________________________________ Dann Stubbs - dann@darkskydigital.com Dark Sky Digital - http://www.darkskydigital.com http://www.RenderKing.com Value Priced C4D, VRAY Render Farm ___________________________________________________________________ On Dec 20, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Tony Romain wrote: > Ah=85 so the idea is that having all that horsepower local becomes = less relevant=85. Go back to the old mainframe days of cheap dummy = terminals and all of the computation is done remotely=85 seems to me, = the only limiting factor there is internet speed (UL/DL) of footage, = etc.=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > tony romain | principal/creative director >=20 > trance > motion graphic animation and design > 323 651 1114 > www.trancedesigns.com >=20 > From: Brian Higgins > Reply-To: AE list > Date: Friday, December 20, 2013 12:33 PM > To: AE list > Subject: Re: [AE] (OT) New Mac Pro - Who's getting it? >=20 > I think Tim is talking about cloud rendering, either home-rolled or = via services like Zync: > https://www.zyncrender.com/ >=20 > -bH >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Tony Romain = wrote: > EC2? Amazon EC2? >=20 >=20 > -- > tony romain | principal/creative director >=20 > trance > motion graphic animation and design > 323 651 1114 > www.trancedesigns.com >=20 > From: Tim Sassoon > Reply-To: AE list > Date: Friday, December 20, 2013 12:28 PM >=20 > To: AE list > Subject: Re: [AE] (OT) New Mac Pro - Who's getting it? >=20 > The Mac Pro base price is higher than it was, but keep in mind that = the iMac has been pushed considerably higher spec than it used to be, so = the Mac Pro had to up-spec as well to avoid too much overlap. My main = gripe with it so far is 1GB Ethernet only. I might buy one, but at this = stage, the biggest threat to Apple/OS X is probably EC2. >=20 >=20 > Tim Sassoon > SFD > Venice, CA >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > brian higgins | creative director > Flavor > 312.706.5500 > brian.higgins@flavor.tv > flavor.tv --Apple-Mail-22--904144739 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 the = "idea" is it - you got that right...

people need to = look around right NOW at things and see their = needs.

EC2? look at your projects - how many GB = are they? now you want to run that over your network up your ISP limited = data rate to process on EC2? maybe 5% of the people in the US have a = fast enough ISP rate to make that possible... to buy a computer today = based on something that will probably not be a real solution for 5 more = years is not smart.

then the ISP's are starting = to charge more for data caps, overages etc - soon your ISP/network bill = will be adding overage fees once too many users start moving tens to = hundreds of GB a month around to the dream of remote processing like = EC2.

and for those who think these all in one = macs are great - just for grins - seriously answer this question = publicly for others knowledge or think it to yourself and see your reply = (i love my macs, but it is very expensive to have preparations for = 24/7/365 with them)

answer = this.

right now. bam your workstation goes = down. dead, won't boot. could be power supply dead, could be motherboard = dead - it is unresponsive.

what do you do? how = long before you are working again?

you could be = in the middle of your biggest project of the year, deadline is today 5PM = before everyone goes on christmas or end of year holiday vacations - = what do you do?

dann

Dann = Stubbs  -  dann@darkskydigital.com
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On Dec 20, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Tony Romain wrote:

Ah=85 so the = idea is that having all that horsepower local becomes less relevant=85. =  Go back to the old mainframe days of cheap dummy terminals and all = of the computation is done remotely=85  seems to me, the only = limiting factor there is internet speed (UL/DL) of footage, = etc. 


--
tony = romain | = principal/creative director

trance
motion graphic animation = and design
323 651 = 1114

From: Brian Higgins <brian.higgins@flavor.tv>Reply-To: AE list <AE-List@media-motion.tv>Date: Friday, December 20, = 2013 12:33 PM
To: AE list = <AE-List@media-motion.tv>Subject: Re: [AE] (OT) New Mac = Pro - Who's getting it?

I think = Tim is talking about cloud rendering, either home-rolled or via services = like Zync:


On Fri, Dec 20, = 2013 at 2:32 PM, Tony Romain <tonyr-aelist@trancedesigns.com> = wrote:
EC2?  Amazon EC2?


-- =
tony romain | principal/creative = director

trance
motion graphic animation and = design
<= div>
From: Tim Sassoon <tsassoon@aol.com>
Reply-To: AE list <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Date: Friday, December 20, 2013 12:28 = PM

To: AE = list <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Subject: Re: [AE] (OT) New Mac Pro - = Who's getting it?

The Mac Pro base price is = higher than it was, but keep in mind that the iMac has been pushed = considerably higher spec than it used to be, so the Mac Pro had to = up-spec as well to avoid too much overlap. My main gripe with it so far = is 1GB Ethernet only. I might buy one, but at this stage, the biggest = threat to Apple/OS X is probably EC2.


Tim = Sassoon
SFD
Venice, = CA





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brian higgins | creative = director
Flavor
312.706.5500
brian.higgins@flavor.tv
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