Return-Path: Received: from www.digitalanarchy.com ([208.84.113.138] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5325431 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 03:11:41 +0100 Received: from RadiantJimHP (68.sub-70-211-71.myvzw.com [70.211.71.68]) (authenticated bits=0) by aurora2.hosting4less.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id rBL2DB9Q000320 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 18:13:17 -0800 From: "Jim Tierney" To: "'After Effects Mail List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [AE] (OT) New Mac Pro - Who's getting it? Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 18:14:30 -0800 Message-ID: <06ca01cefdf2$63e41cd0$2bac5670$@digitalanarchy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_06CB_01CEFDAF.55C48650" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQF7OE4xKdNr0f75FPiMMy1n268+1ZsFa+pA Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_06CB_01CEFDAF.55C48650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 16gb/3.6ghz machine from Dell with a basic video card: $2100. When you factor in the video cards is when the MacPro is an ok deal. The Dell comes in a little pricier for a little better spec'd machine with two AMD W7000s (same as the D300 with more VRAM). So the question is how important are the video cards vs. the CPU? The nice thing about the PC is you can replace the video cards in a couple years when there's something new and much faster. And it is cheaper if you don't care as much about the video card. Although, if you know and like Macs, $900 is about how much the kool-aid has always cost. ;-) (and you get part of it back in resale value) That said, you could also plop a couple speedy cards into your current MacPro too. Given that every software developer is jumping on the GPU bandwagon, the video cards can play a pretty important role. It really depends on how much of your work can be processed on the GPU. If you're doing a lot of effects heavy AE work using all the CPU cores, the CPU matters more. For example, with our Beauty Box tests, the video card matters a LOT if you're not using multi-processing. With MP turned on, the card becomes less of a factor. The more cores you're using the less of factor it is. For editing work, I'm guessing the GPU matters more in most cases and you could just upgrade your current MacPro. So. ultimately, it's a fairly priced machine for what it is. Whether you need all of what it has. I do hate the lack of expandability and am bummed it's locked into AMD cards. We've found AMD cards to be more problematic than Nvidia. So I'm expecting more GPU related issues. ah well. Cheers, Jim --------------- Jim Tierney President Digital Anarchy From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Glenn Ferguson Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 2:55 PM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] (OT) New Mac Pro - Who's getting it? That $2999 is for a quad core xeon with 12 gigs of ram and a 256GB SSD available December 30th and can be pre-ordered now. I haven't done the research, but really, you can't find a PC with those specs for significantly less? From: dennis@reelsolutions.com Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 3:28 PM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] (OT) New Mac Pro - Who's getting it? The 3749.00 price from HP is only for the 12core Xeon processor (CPU only) that comes in the new MacPro. - Dennis Wilkins On Dec 20, 2013, at 2:17 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: OK I got a little carried away. Maybe I am a little bitter. But that 12 core xeon will run circles around the base New Mac Pro, and have tons more storage, for only $750 more. And if you built it yourself it would completely negate the price increase at all. However, I agree, it is a fast SSD with little to compare it to. But considering my base OS 10.9 + Apps takes up over 150GB on my laptop, I can't imagine it being functional to actually store projects on. And then you're back to using a RAID On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 2:20 PM, dennis@reelsolutions.com wrote: You say "Not interested in starting any mac vs. pc debate..." Then "I imagine they are mainly for rich nerds to show off?" ... Ok... Count me in as a rich nerd I guess - I'll be buying one. I've never regretted buying a Mac, when I've gotten a bad one (1 in 16+years, they've been great at correcting the problem). I've made a couple PC purchases I'd rather not go into... Why make an assumption how long it will take to get repaired? I had a MacPro way out of warranty that had a power supply go bad; I guess they didn't have the part because they gave me a brand new base model MacPro for no charge at all, they didn't even charge for the diagnostic fee. (And they let me pay the difference to upgrade it to the fastest MacPro). What a waste of money! This was for a 4+ yr old machine, they weren't obligated to do anything. Time to receive the new machine was about a week ( mainly because I requested a non-stocked configuration). HP wants $3,749 for the 12 core Xeon chip, they're not cheap. 800.00 to upgrade from a 256GB SSD isn't bad considering it will do 1200 MB/s. To match that speed, you can't really replicate it easily (RAID adds latency). mho... 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16gb/3.6ghz machine from Dell with  a basic video card: = $2100.

 

When you factor in the video cards is when the MacPro is an ok deal. = The Dell comes in a little pricier for a  little better = spec’d machine with two AMD W7000s (same as the D300 with more = VRAM).

 

So the question is how important are the video cards vs. the = CPU?

 

The nice thing about the PC is you can replace the video cards in a = couple years when there’s something new and much faster. And it is = cheaper if you don’t care as much about the video card. Although, = if you know and like Macs, $900 is about how much the kool-aid has = always cost. ;-)  (and you get part of it back in resale = value)

 

That said, you could also plop a couple speedy cards into your = current MacPro too.

 

Given that every software developer is jumping on the GPU bandwagon, = the video cards can play a pretty important role. It really depends on = how much of your work can be processed on the GPU. If you’re doing = a lot of effects heavy AE work using all the CPU cores, the CPU matters = more. For example, with our Beauty Box tests, the video card matters a = LOT if you’re not using multi-processing. With MP turned on, the = card becomes less of a factor. The more cores you’re using the = less of factor it is. For editing work, I’m guessing the GPU = matters more in most cases and you could just upgrade your current = MacPro.

 

So… ultimately, it’s a fairly priced machine for what it = is. Whether you need all of what it has…

 

I do hate the lack of expandability and am bummed it’s locked = into AMD cards. We’ve found AMD cards to be more problematic than = Nvidia. So I’m expecting more GPU related issues… ah = well…

 

 

Cheers,

Jim

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Jim Tierney

President

Digital Anarchy

 

 

 

From:= = After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of = Glenn Ferguson
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 2:55 = PM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] = (OT) New Mac Pro - Who's getting it?

 

That $2999 is for a quad = core xeon with 12 gigs of ram and a 256GB SSD available December 30th = and can be pre-ordered now.  I haven't done the research, but = really, you can't find a PC with those specs for significantly = less?

 <= /o:p>

Sent:= = Friday, December 20, 2013 3:28 PM

Subject: Re: [AE] = (OT) New Mac Pro - Who's getting = it?

 

The 3749.00 price from

HP is only for the 12core Xeon processor (CPU only) = that comes in the new MacPro.

 

- = Dennis Wilkins


On Dec 20, 2013, at 2:17 PM, Teddy = Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> wrote:

OK I got a little carried away. Maybe I am a little = bitter. But that 12 core xeon will run circles around the base New Mac = Pro, and have tons more storage, for only $750 more. And if you built it = yourself it would completely negate the price increase at = all.

However, I agree, it is a fast SSD with little to compare it = to. But considering my base OS 10.9 + Apps takes up over 150GB on my = laptop, I can't imagine it being functional to actually store projects = on. And then you're back to using a RAID

 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 2:20 PM, dennis@reelsolutions.com <dennis@reelsolutions.com> = wrote:

You say "Not = interested in starting any mac vs. pc debate..." = Then 
"I imagine they are mainly for rich nerds to show = off?" ... = Ok...

 

Count = me in as a rich nerd I guess - I'll be buying one. I've never regretted = buying a Mac, when I've gotten a bad one (1 in 16+years, they've been = great at correcting the problem).

 

I've made a couple PC purchases I'd rather not go = into... 

 

Why make an assumption how long it will take to get = repaired? I had a MacPro way out of warranty that had a power supply go = bad; I guess they didn't have the part because they gave me a brand new = base model MacPro for no charge at all, they didn't even charge for the = diagnostic fee. (And they let me pay the difference to upgrade it to the = fastest MacPro). What a waste of money!

This was for a 4+ yr old machine, they weren't = obligated to do anything. Time to receive the new machine was about a = week ( mainly because I requested a non-stocked = configuration).

 

HP wants $3,749 for the 12 core Xeon chip, they're not = cheap.

 

800.00 to upgrade from a 256GB SSD isn't bad = considering it will do 1200 MB/s. To match that speed, you can't really = replicate it easily (RAID adds latency).

 

mho... Dennis = Wilkins




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