Return-Path: Received: from mail-ve0-f180.google.com ([209.85.128.180] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5325884 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 19:00:36 +0100 Received: by mail-ve0-f180.google.com with SMTP id jz11so2115452veb.39 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 10:03:37 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Wa6s4xKyhStufCySAOfGoEf7AxT69Tdyi6CHHSdRnVk=; b=IgHS5XcnRBuYs5wEhAqXyxaKevMYSZ8bMNQG66NNHmyR0d01DiXevfk1X+MQQO8CO1 3+Dyjjq8/wMz0A7gb+zpDfEaBPoIome9FREM0vLTHx3N1hFP5GoMZ0Q63x2QZzcqsRoQ sHm9AVDiSZP6ZBNKbhsKAs25GqAp43Z+r8OJO6IvYU6QJLsupaXmbBOXrUzuzz9jG+Fy sYfwJ66pj5XC+jP15fb4jVRzkprJlbTshlSMzKcjizigOBOeqU5Pag+2q59e/y4GW5KN 4MKXiDMQZolUHgRHzeJMkcpJwFGxWbL5RPHIdlKpmrBRrE05ZbzqCw832UzEZMdsCO3t 0ZqQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlP4OgSxHDtb8KybBSSiWyHw0wEZXlrQbpBRxHotQqzvGlUliinlbQBNe2LKlXcxM4Rc2Wh X-Received: by 10.58.46.18 with SMTP id r18mr8372554vem.4.1387649017466; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 10:03:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.45.66 with HTTP; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 10:03:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Robert Kjettrup Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 19:03:17 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] AE Question that has boggled me To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01294482c2742e04ee0f3648 --089e01294482c2742e04ee0f3648 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Eric if you use spot lights, then make sure the spotlight is directed at the surface, if you only check it in one view it can just look like it is directed correctly. Take a look at the scene from the top view or left/right view too. Make sure the light intensity is set high enough if you have the falloff type on the light to "Inverse Square" And see if you by accident have made the light color black. This will never emit any light no matter how high you crank up the intensity. This exact problem did catch me a few years back where i just couldnt understand why the lights never would render... untill i saw i had by accident set up the default lightcolor to black :-D Robert 2013/12/21 Mr. Eric D. Kirk > I think my problem gets back to Walter Soyka's original response down > below about accepting lights off and on. > > It would seem if I set my surface layer (the stage in this case) to accep= t > lights, place a light over it, I should have an illuminated area of the > stage where that light is. I'm not getting that however and it just > remains dark. > > Appreciate the help. > > Eric > > > On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Chris Bobotis wrote: > >> =A2Trapcode Lux=A2 created by Trapcode, published by Red Giant Software. >> >> Yup! Volumetric light(s). >> >> HTH >> >> Cheers, >> Chris >> mettle.com >> On 2013-12-20, at 6:38 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote: >> >> Yeah...uh...thought it was trapcode, definitely red giant Lux....the >> volumetric lights. >> On Dec 20, 2013 6:35 PM, "Chris Bobotis" wrote: >> >>> Hey Eric, >>> >>> A link to a good visual reference would help BUT off the top of my >>> head... Trapcode Lux? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Chris >>> mettle.com >>> On 2013-12-20, at 6:23 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I started this thread a week two ago and have a follow up that >>> pertinent. I have this setup that includes like a large stage with a >>> singer on it. I have a bunch of spot lights focused around like a disc= o >>> thing. The look I want to create is to have the stage dark and when th= e >>> spotlight changes position, it lights up the stage in the area it is >>> directed. >>> >>> Any ideas on how best to set this up? I mean, I'd like the stage to be >>> completely dark except where the light is focused. >>> >>> Thanks ahead. >>> >>> Eric >>> On Dec 20, 2013 5:28 PM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I started this thread a week two ago and have a follow up that >>>> pertinent. I have this setup that includes like a large stage with a >>>> singer on it. I have a bunch of spot lights focused around like a dis= co >>>> thing. The look I want to create is to have the stage dark and when t= he >>>> spotlight changes position, it lights up the stage in the area it is >>>> directed. >>>> >>>> Any ideas on how best to set this up? I mean, I'd like the stage to b= e >>>> completely dark except where the light is focused. >>>> >>>> Thanks ahead. >>>> >>>> Eric >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Robert Davidson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Now I see what you mean Eric. >>>>> Walter explains it well! >>>>> Rob >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 09/12/2013, at 3:41 AM, Walter Soyka wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 8, 2013 11:08 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > Sorry - thought I was clear. You know when you add a 2D image and >>>>> add a light, the image becomes black? Then you have to change accept >>>>> lights to off and the image reappears. The appearance is that you ar= e >>>>> changing it TO accept lights since now you can see it. >>>>> > >>>>> > Just not understanding what's really happening there. >>>>> > >>>>> > Eric >>>>> >>>>> When you set accept lights to off, you are telling the layer to >>>>> disregard the lighting in the scene. It will not be shaded at all, be= coming >>>>> neither lighter nor darker in response to lights. >>>>> >>>>> If you have a light in the scene, accept lights is on, and the layer >>>>> is dark, then it is accepting lights, but no light is actually hittin= g the >>>>> layer. Since it's not being illuminated, it is dark. You may need to >>>>> reposition your light, or add additional lights to the scene. >>>>> >>>>> You can use an ambient light in the scene to raise the overall >>>>> lighting level. >>>>> >>>>> Walter Soyka >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Robert Davidson >>>>> Multimedia Specialist >>>>> 0419 211175 >>>>> robdav@ozemail.com.au >>>>> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~robdav/SiteRD/Welcome.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* >>>> *Hidden in the Woods | VFX* >>>> *The Night Visitor | VFX* >>>> *443.206.1347 <443.206.1347>* >>>> >>>> *www.kirkproductions.com >>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com * >>>> *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Chris >>> Mettle.com >>> Skype: Mettlecom >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Cheers, >> Chris >> Mettle.com >> Skype: Mettlecom >> >> >> >> > > > -- > *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* > *Hidden in the Woods | VFX* > *The Night Visitor | VFX* > *443.206.1347 <443.206.1347>* > > *www.kirkproductions.com > kirkproductions@gmail.com > * > *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ > * > > --089e01294482c2742e04ee0f3648 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Eric

if you use spot lights, then ma= ke sure the spotlight is directed at the surface, if you only check it in o= ne view it can just look like it is directed correctly. Take a look at the = scene from the top view or left/right view too.

Make sure the light intensity is set high enough if you= have the falloff type on the light to "Inverse Square"

And see if you by accident have made the light color black.= This will never emit any light no matter how high you crank up the intensi= ty. This exact problem did catch me a few years back where i just couldnt u= nderstand why the lights never would render... untill i saw i had by accide= nt set up the default lightcolor to black =C2=A0:-D


Robert


2013/12/21 Mr. Eric D. Kirk <ki= rkproductions@gmail.com>
I think my problem gets back to Walter Soyka's origina= l response down below about accepting lights off and on.

It would seem if I set my surface layer (the stage in this case) to accept= lights, place a light over it, I should have an illuminated area of the st= age where that light is. =C2=A0I'm not getting that however and it just= remains dark.

Appreciate the help.

Eric


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Chris Bobotis <chris@mettle.com>= wrote:
=CB=98Tr= apcode Lux=CB=98 created by Trapcode, published by Red Giant Software.
=
Yup! Volumetric light(s).=C2=A0

HTH

=
Cheers,
Chris
mettle.com
On 2013-12-20, at 6:38 PM, Mr= . Eric D. Kirk wrote:

Yeah...uh...thought it was tra= pcode, definitely red giant Lux....the volumetric lights.

On Dec 20, 2013 6:35 PM, "Chris Bobotis&quo= t; <chris@mettle.c= om> wrote:
Hey Eric,

A link to = a good visual reference would help BUT off the top of my head... Trapcode L= ux?

Cheers,
Chris
mettle.com
On 2013-12-20, at 6:23 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote:

Hello,

I started this= thread a week two ago and have a follow up that pertinent. =C2=A0I have th= is setup that includes like a large stage with a singer on it. =C2=A0I have= a bunch of spot lights focused around like a disco thing. =C2=A0The look I= want to create is to have the stage dark and when the spotlight changes po= sition, it lights up the stage in the area it is directed.

Any ideas on how best to set this up? =C2=A0I mean, I'd = like the stage to be completely dark except where the light is focused.

=

Thanks ahead.

Eric

On Dec 20, 2013 5:28 PM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk&= quot; <ki= rkproductions@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

I started this thread a week two= ago and have a follow up that pertinent. =C2=A0I have this setup that incl= udes like a large stage with a singer on it. =C2=A0I have a bunch of spot l= ights focused around like a disco thing. =C2=A0The look I want to create is= to have the stage dark and when the spotlight changes position, it lights = up the stage in the area it is directed.

Any ideas on how best to set this up? =C2=A0I mean, I&#= 39;d like the stage to be completely dark except where the light is focused= .

Thanks ahead.

Eric


On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Robert D= avidson <robdav@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
Now I see what you mean Eric.=C2=A0Walter explains it well!
Rob

=C2=A0
On 09/12/2013, at 3:41 AM, Walter Soyka wrote:

On Dec 8, 2013 11:08 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" <kirkproduction= s@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry - thought I was clear. =C2=A0You know when you add a 2D image an= d add a light, the image becomes black? =C2=A0Then you have to change accep= t lights to off and the image reappears. =C2=A0The appearance is that you a= re changing it TO accept lights since now you can see it.
>
> Just not understanding what's really happening there.
>
> Eric

When you set accept lights to off, you are tell= ing the layer to disregard the lighting in the scene. It will not be shaded= at all, becoming neither lighter nor darker in response to lights.

If you have a light in the scene, accept lights is on, and the layer is dar= k, then it is accepting lights, but no light is actually hitting the layer.= Since it's not being illuminated, it is dark. You may need to repositi= on your light, or add additional lights to the scene.

You can use an ambient light in the scene to raise the overa= ll lighting level.

Walter Soyka


Robert Davidson
Multimedia Specialist






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Eric D. Kirk |=C2=A0Kirk = Productions
Hidden in the Woods | VFX
=
The Night Visitor | VFX
=C2=A0

Cheers,
Chris
Mettle.com
Skype: Mettleco= m




Cheers,
Chris
Mettle.com
Skype: Mettleco= m






-- =
Eric D. Kirk |=C2=A0Kirk Productions
Hidden in the Woods | VFX
The Ni= ght Visitor | VFX
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