Return-Path: Received: from mail-la0-f51.google.com ([209.85.215.51] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5325878 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 19:06:20 +0100 Received: by mail-la0-f51.google.com with SMTP id ec20so1612512lab.24 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 10:09:22 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=N3oZ7sSEPBqVjRpJniZk6tllDELtH1zXakcpsqt7NlQ=; b=Mku6Xb8nBwvoo3ZmJUalXDiAVWV3V/BFMVPm3DHx3Kag6O0EUCOltY6gzw1n11kCR9 mVV4XXNeYjxrdtiuCbjaIDwf2mneX28lDGHis7aTwV2oUuCYSrcnnshxfDpCp5JIws+I GVARIIFFK6Y8fRE0XJFYdCFfZh9dQnYfpDe/R85D2SoRWZ9UDqpGGdIVLBq9BxApmvff IofjpwPyN9f/XBDtXQEF4Cp1Z/ghHlKmio86P83yzRPWJ0rjbwQZ2kSYhDLKftJ0X0w6 ncmxmBQN5ndEKhsHaVm32MPgPeUzINpngxXF2DNdRtSgpikfO/8xU8n4Orxv3yNhwWjl L78w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlyKJs7GL6hgx6NKXXMBm+e9zE0CYLewxSRYPUA8PCRrJ2+Bpj3sjZccp9LQiQvA8E8eK8n MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.115.130 with SMTP id jo2mr6862169lab.2.1387649362520; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 10:09:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.183.205 with HTTP; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 10:09:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 18:09:22 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] AE Question that has boggled me From: Phil Bearman To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c22602537ac004ee0f4b98 --001a11c22602537ac004ee0f4b98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Eric, Further to Robert's information, here's a screenshot of a 3D 'floor' layer illuminated with a point light with the properties of the light and solid showing so you can compare them with your setup - might help identify the problem... https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1388508/AELightsDemo.jpg Cheers, Phil --=20 *Phil Bearman* *Phil Bearman Creative Media Solutions* Motion Graphics Design *NEW! 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On 21 December 2013 16:10, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrot= e: > I think my problem gets back to Walter Soyka's original response down > below about accepting lights off and on. > > It would seem if I set my surface layer (the stage in this case) to accep= t > lights, place a light over it, I should have an illuminated area of the > stage where that light is. I'm not getting that however and it just > remains dark. > > Appreciate the help. > > Eric > > > On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Chris Bobotis wrote: > >> =CB=98Trapcode Lux=CB=98 created by Trapcode, published by Red Giant Sof= tware. >> >> Yup! Volumetric light(s). >> >> HTH >> >> Cheers, >> Chris >> mettle.com >> On 2013-12-20, at 6:38 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote: >> >> Yeah...uh...thought it was trapcode, definitely red giant Lux....the >> volumetric lights. >> On Dec 20, 2013 6:35 PM, "Chris Bobotis" wrote: >> >>> Hey Eric, >>> >>> A link to a good visual reference would help BUT off the top of my >>> head... Trapcode Lux? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Chris >>> mettle.com >>> On 2013-12-20, at 6:23 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I started this thread a week two ago and have a follow up that >>> pertinent. I have this setup that includes like a large stage with a >>> singer on it. I have a bunch of spot lights focused around like a disc= o >>> thing. The look I want to create is to have the stage dark and when th= e >>> spotlight changes position, it lights up the stage in the area it is >>> directed. >>> >>> Any ideas on how best to set this up? I mean, I'd like the stage to be >>> completely dark except where the light is focused. >>> >>> Thanks ahead. >>> >>> Eric >>> On Dec 20, 2013 5:28 PM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I started this thread a week two ago and have a follow up that >>>> pertinent. I have this setup that includes like a large stage with a >>>> singer on it. I have a bunch of spot lights focused around like a dis= co >>>> thing. The look I want to create is to have the stage dark and when t= he >>>> spotlight changes position, it lights up the stage in the area it is >>>> directed. >>>> >>>> Any ideas on how best to set this up? I mean, I'd like the stage to b= e >>>> completely dark except where the light is focused. >>>> >>>> Thanks ahead. >>>> >>>> Eric >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Robert Davidson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Now I see what you mean Eric. >>>>> Walter explains it well! >>>>> Rob >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 09/12/2013, at 3:41 AM, Walter Soyka wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 8, 2013 11:08 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > Sorry - thought I was clear. You know when you add a 2D image and >>>>> add a light, the image becomes black? Then you have to change accept >>>>> lights to off and the image reappears. The appearance is that you ar= e >>>>> changing it TO accept lights since now you can see it. >>>>> > >>>>> > Just not understanding what's really happening there. >>>>> > >>>>> > Eric >>>>> >>>>> When you set accept lights to off, you are telling the layer to >>>>> disregard the lighting in the scene. It will not be shaded at all, be= coming >>>>> neither lighter nor darker in response to lights. >>>>> >>>>> If you have a light in the scene, accept lights is on, and the layer >>>>> is dark, then it is accepting lights, but no light is actually hittin= g the >>>>> layer. Since it's not being illuminated, it is dark. You may need to >>>>> reposition your light, or add additional lights to the scene. >>>>> >>>>> You can use an ambient light in the scene to raise the overall >>>>> lighting level. >>>>> >>>>> Walter Soyka >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Robert Davidson >>>>> Multimedia Specialist >>>>> 0419 211175 >>>>> robdav@ozemail.com.au >>>>> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~robdav/SiteRD/Welcome.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* >>>> *Hidden in the Woods | VFX* >>>> *The Night Visitor | VFX* >>>> *443.206.1347 <443.206.1347>* >>>> >>>> *www.kirkproductions.com >>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com * >>>> *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Chris >>> Mettle.com >>> Skype: Mettlecom >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Cheers, >> Chris >> Mettle.com >> Skype: Mettlecom >> >> >> >> > > > -- > *Eric D. 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Hi Eric,

Further to Robert&#= 39;s information, here's a screenshot of a 3D 'floor' layer ill= uminated with a point light with the properties of the light and solid show= ing so you can compare them with your setup - might help identify the probl= em...


Cheers,
Phil

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On 21 December 2013 16:10, Mr. Eric D. K= irk <kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote:
I think my problem gets back to Walter Soyka's origina= l response down below about accepting lights off and on.

It would seem if I set my surface layer (the stage in this case) to accept= lights, place a light over it, I should have an illuminated area of the st= age where that light is. =A0I'm not getting that however and it just re= mains dark.

Appreciate the help.

Eric


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Chris Bobotis <chris@mettle.com>= wrote:
=A2Trapc= ode Lux=A2 created by Trapcode, published by Red Giant Software.

Yup! Volumetric light(s).=A0

HTH

Cheers,
Chris
mettle.com
On 2013-12-20, at 6:38 PM, Mr. E= ric D. Kirk wrote:

Yeah...uh...thought it was tra= pcode, definitely red giant Lux....the volumetric lights.

On Dec 20, 2013 6:35 PM, "Chris Bobotis&quo= t; <chris@mettle.c= om> wrote:
Hey Eric,

A link to = a good visual reference would help BUT off the top of my head... Trapcode L= ux?

Cheers,
Chris
mettle.com
On 2013-12-20, at 6:23 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote:

Hello,

I started this= thread a week two ago and have a follow up that pertinent. =A0I have this = setup that includes like a large stage with a singer on it. =A0I have a bun= ch of spot lights focused around like a disco thing. =A0The look I want to = create is to have the stage dark and when the spotlight changes position, i= t lights up the stage in the area it is directed.

Any ideas on how best to set this up? =A0I mean, I'd lik= e the stage to be completely dark except where the light is focused.

Thanks ahead.

Eric

On Dec 20, 2013 5:28 PM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk&= quot; <ki= rkproductions@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

I started this thread a week two= ago and have a follow up that pertinent. =A0I have this setup that include= s like a large stage with a singer on it. =A0I have a bunch of spot lights = focused around like a disco thing. =A0The look I want to create is to have = the stage dark and when the spotlight changes position, it lights up the st= age in the area it is directed.

Any ideas on how best to set this up? =A0I mean, I'= d like the stage to be completely dark except where the light is focused.

Thanks ahead.

Eric


On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Robert D= avidson <robdav@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
Now I see what you mean Eric.=A0
Wa= lter explains it well!
Rob

=A0
On 09/12/2013, at 3:41 AM, Walter Soyka wrote:

On Dec 8, 2013 11:08 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" <kirkproduction= s@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry - thought I was clear. =A0You know when you add a 2D image and a= dd a light, the image becomes black? =A0Then you have to change accept ligh= ts to off and the image reappears. =A0The appearance is that you are changi= ng it TO accept lights since now you can see it.
>
> Just not understanding what's really happening there.
>
> Eric

When you set accept lights to off, you are tell= ing the layer to disregard the lighting in the scene. It will not be shaded= at all, becoming neither lighter nor darker in response to lights.

If you have a light in the scene, accept lights is on, and the layer is dar= k, then it is accepting lights, but no light is actually hitting the layer.= Since it's not being illuminated, it is dark. You may need to repositi= on your light, or add additional lights to the scene.

You can use an ambient light in the scene to raise the overa= ll lighting level.

Walter Soyka


Robert Davidson
Multimedia Specialist






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Cheers,
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Skype: Mettleco= m




Cheers,
Chris
Mettle.com
Skype: Mettleco= m






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