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Subject: Re: [AE] (OT) New Mac Pro - Who's getting it?
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 14:10:20 -0800
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I'm looking at buying a 6 core base processor, 512GB SSD, 32GB RAM, and =
dual D700s (and AppleCare) for about $5500 + tax. Thunderbolt =
peripherals extra of course.

=46rom what I can see an equivalent cost workstation PC isn't all that =
different. Building one yourself is cheaper I assume but that's still =
not really worth the time based on my hourly/daily rate.

Then there is the cost of equivalent GPUs on the PC side. As I =
understand it a D700 is pretty equivalent to a W9000 at over $3000/GPU. =
But even the D300 is a pretty good deal. Someone correct me if I am =
wrong here.

In any case, if there is a couple of hundred dollar premium (GPUs aside) =
for having what I personally consider a superior system (knowing full =
well that what each of us considers a superior system varies immensely) =
and I can pay for it on average with about 2 weeks of work... well, =
what's the debate really about?

James


On Dec 20, 2013, at 12:11 PM, S=F8ren Christensen wrote:

>=20
> I was trying to configure a HP Z workstation and a Boxx workstation =
with the same specs (cpu, gfx card etc)as the new mac pro.
> They ticked in between 38-51% more expensive than a new mac pro. With =
normal sata6 ssdnand  with smaller category gfx cards (And off course =
pcie slots).
> With one gfx card they where still expensiverl...
> I find it quite odd that people are ranting about how expensive the =
mac is maxed out when pc counterparts cost the same or a lot more for =
the same configuration.
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> In my case the mac pro comes as a blessing and the form factor is very =
welcome. I do a lot of live visuals and virtual scenography where gpu =
performance and multiple (more than 3) outputs is a must. And super fast =
ssd speeds to handle xx amounts of realtime hd video layers a necessity. =
This small wine-cooler-look-a-like  design (Bodum, anyone?) fits in the =
hand luggage. Touring with mac pros has become fun again :-)
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> Looking forward to see some real world cpu and gpu tests. What has =
been clear for a long time is that gpu power is the new 'black'. Lets =
hope that the all-in bet on opencl pays off.
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> S=F8ren
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> On 20 Dec 2013, at 20:20, dennis@reelsolutions.com wrote:
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>>> You say "Not interested in starting any mac vs. pc debate..." Then=20=

>>> "I imagine they are mainly for rich nerds to show off?" ... Ok...
>>=20
>> Count me in as a rich nerd I guess - I'll be buying one. I've never =
regretted buying a Mac, when I've gotten a bad one (1 in 16+years, =
they've been great at correcting the problem).
>>=20
>> I've made a couple PC purchases I'd rather not go into...=20
>>=20
>> Why make an assumption how long it will take to get repaired? I had a =
MacPro way out of warranty that had a power supply go bad; I guess they =
didn't have the part because they gave me a brand new base model MacPro =
for no charge at all, they didn't even charge for the diagnostic fee. =
(And they let me pay the difference to upgrade it to the fastest =
MacPro). What a waste of money!
>> This was for a 4+ yr old machine, they weren't obligated to do =
anything. Time to receive the new machine was about a week ( mainly =
because I requested a non-stocked configuration).
>>=20
>> HP wants $3,749 for the 12 core Xeon chip, they're not cheap.
>>=20
>> 800.00 to upgrade from a 256GB SSD isn't bad considering it will do =
1200 MB/s. To match that speed, you can't really replicate it easily =
(RAID adds latency).
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>> mho... Dennis Wilkins
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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
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"><div>I'm looking at buying<span =
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base process</span></span><span =
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2605}.[0].{right}.[0].{left}.[0].[0].[0][3].[0].[3]"><span =
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2605}.[0].{right}.[0].{left}.[0].[0].[0][3].[0].[3].[0].[0]">or, 512GB =
SSD, 32GB RAM, and dual D700s (and AppleCare) for about $5500 + tax. =
Thunderbolt peripherals extra of =
course.</span></span></span></div><div><span =
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2605}.[0].{right}.[0].{left}.[0].[0].[0][3].[0].[3].[0].[0]">=46rom what =
I can see an equivalent cost workstation PC isn't all that different. =
Building one yourself is cheaper I assume but that's still not really =
worth the time based on my hourly/daily =
rate.</span></span></span></div><div><span =
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2605}.[0].{right}.[0].{left}.[0].[0].[0][3].[0].[3]"><span =
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2605}.[0].{right}.[0].{left}.[0].[0].[0][3].[0].[3].[0].[0]">Then there =
is the cost of equivalent GPUs on the PC side. As I understand it a D700 =
is pretty equivalent to a W9000 at over $3000/GPU. But even the D300 is =
a pretty good deal. Someone correct me if I am wrong =
here.</span></span></span></div><div><span =
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2605}.[0].{right}.[0].{left}.[0].[0].[0][3].[0].[3]"><span =
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span></span></div><div><span =
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2605}.[0].{right}.[0].{left}.[0].[0].[0][3].[0].[3]"><span =
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2605}.[0].{right}.[0].{left}.[0].[0].[0][3].[0].[3].[0]"><span =
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2605}.[0].{right}.[0].{left}.[0].[0].[0][3].[0].[3].[0].[0]">In any =
case, if there is a couple of hundred dollar premium (GPUs aside) for =
having what I personally consider a superior system (knowing full well =
that what each of us considers a superior system varies immensely) and I =
can pay for it on average with about 2 weeks of work... well, what's the =
debate really about?</span></span></span></div><div><span =
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span></span></div><div><span =
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span></span></div><br><div><div>On Dec 20, 2013, at 12:11 PM, S=F8ren =
Christensen wrote:</div><br =
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charset=3Diso-8859-1"><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
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after-white-space;"><div><br></div><div>I was trying to configure a HP Z =
workstation and a Boxx workstation with the same specs (cpu, gfx card =
etc)as the new mac pro.</div><div>They ticked in between 38-51% more =
expensive than a new mac pro. With normal sata6 ssdnand &nbsp;with =
smaller category gfx cards (And off course pcie slots).</div><div>With =
one gfx card they where still expensiverl...</div><div>I find it quite =
odd that people are ranting about how expensive the mac is maxed out =
when pc counterparts cost the same or a lot more for the same =
configuration.</div><div><br></div><div>In my case the mac pro comes as =
a blessing and the form factor is very welcome. I do a lot of live =
visuals and virtual scenography where gpu performance and multiple (more =
than 3) outputs is a must. And super fast ssd speeds to handle xx =
amounts of realtime hd video layers a necessity. This small =
wine-cooler-look-a-like &nbsp;design (Bodum, anyone?) fits in the hand =
luggage. Touring with mac pros has become fun again =
:-)</div><div><br></div><div>Looking forward to see some real world cpu =
and gpu tests. What has been clear for a long time is that gpu power is =
the new 'black'. Lets hope that the all-in bet on opencl pays =
off.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>S=F8ren</di=
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charset=3Dutf-8"><div dir=3D"auto"><div><span></span></div><div><meta =
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 dir=3D"ltr"><font><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, =
0);">You say "Not interested in starting any mac vs. pc debate..." =
Then&nbsp;<br>"I imagine they are mainly for rich nerds to show off?" =
... Ok...</span></font></div>
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</blockquote><br><div>Count me in as a rich nerd I guess - I'll be =
buying one. I've never regretted buying a Mac, when I've gotten a bad =
one (1 in 16+years, they've been great at correcting the =
problem).</div><div><br></div><div>I've made a couple PC purchases I'd =
rather not go into...&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Why make an =
assumption how long it will take to get repaired? I had a MacPro way out =
of warranty that had a power supply go bad; I guess they didn't have the =
part because they gave me a brand new base model MacPro for no charge at =
all, they didn't even charge for the diagnostic fee. (And they let me =
pay the difference to upgrade it to the fastest MacPro). What a waste of =
money!</div><div>This was for a 4+ yr old machine, they weren't =
obligated to do anything. Time to receive the new machine was about a =
week ( mainly because I requested a non-stocked =
configuration).</div><div><br></div><div>HP wants $3,749 for the 12 core =
Xeon chip, they're not cheap.</div></div><div><br></div><div>800.00 to =
upgrade from a 256GB SSD isn't bad considering it will do 1200 MB/s. To =
match that speed, you can't really replicate it easily (RAID adds =
latency).</div><div><br></div><div>mho... Dennis =
Wilkins</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></blockquote></div><br></b=
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