>.
Is there any chip�that has come out on the consumer
side�that can challenge the hex-core�3930K�in price ::
performance yet?
�
Good
question. I only have a mild overclock (4.2) on my
current 3930 to keep my system quiet and 64GB memory
running.
�
This
second station will be upgrade my current
NLE/Secondary AE box. It�s an old Core 2 Quad maxed at
16GB of RAM that is having trouble with 4K video much
less assembling my 6K TIFF sequences and I really need
it handle the finishing both audio and visuals.
�
It�s
been O/C�d to 3.2 for over 4 years now but I�m going
to move it replace an even older Core 2 DAW and build
a new system in its spot � hex core, 64GB RAM,
sticking with Win7 I think as well.
�
The
4930K is considerably more power efficient and 3 to 5%
faster but reports say a little more inconsistent in
overclocks. But I�m not pushing my O/C�s that hard so
still on fence if it�s worth $150 extra.
�
Unfortunately
Haswell-E 8-cores are not to Q3 � that�s what I would
love but too late for the film.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-8-core-haswell-e-x99-ivy-bridge-e,25525.html
�
>
What are you going with for graphics?
Still
adrift on this one. My primary NLE is still Vegas
which is Open CL based, but I use Premiere CC some
though not as much as I thought. Plus it must drive at
least 1, possibly 2 4K displays plus DVI and HDMI.
�
I�ve
been looking at the Titan, 290X, Quadro 5000 and
W7000/8000 � I would like 10-bit support in Photoshop
but not finding reliable card/monitor combos that
people verify are working.
I will keep you posted.
�
stephen
van vuuren
336.202.4777
�
http://www.insaturnsrings.com/
http://www.sv2dcp.com/
http://www.sv2studios.com/
�
A
film is � or should be � more like music than like
fiction. It should be a progression of moods and
feelings. The theme, what�s behind the emotion, the
meaning, all that comes later.
�Stanley
Kubrick
�
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On Behalf Of Teddy Gage
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 9:48 PM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] (OT) New Mac Pro - Who's
getting it?
�
Eloquent and apt. Everything is
hearsay until we see real world�benchmarks. Steven I'd
love to hear about your build in a new thread. Is there
any chip�that has come out on the consumer side�that can
challenge the hex-core�3930K�in price :: performance
yet? What are you going with for graphics?
On Thursday, December 26, 2013, Stephen van Vuuren
wrote:
> Here's an interesting article
on the value proposition of the new Mac Pro. Turns out
it's tough to build a comparable machine for the
price. -
Unfortunately, that's a lazy and poorly researched
article. The new Mac Pro is an intriguing mystery of
parts.
I'm currently researching parts for a new build to
help finish my film and was curious about the Mac Pro
parts (FirePro GPUs, PCI SSD etc.). The huge dollar
issue with the MacPro is GPU and getting good
information about exactly what they has not been easy.
But I found this published a couple of days ago:
http://wccftech.com/generation-amd-professional-gpu-arrives-firepro-d700-leads-pack-35-teraflops-compute/
They claim this is confirmed but I would still not say
this is 100%. But it does further open up the mystery
of the GPU parts. They appear to be cut down, TDP
reduced parts to work in the new case. The focus on
dual parts also appears part of the heat/power
management issue to balance thermal throttling that
invariably would be part of such a design.
Apple appears to have made some deal possibly
including custom manufacturing that may allow them to
get parts that don't spec out for higher TDP use (like
Intel does with hex vs. quad core parts) and using
them here to give the Mac Pro a GPU price advantage
you can't match on off-the-shelf parts - of course
OpenCL performance will need to be part of question as
CUDA is not an option.
So they are not exactly like any parts you can buy.
Additionally, they likely will have a unique set of
drivers, so until someone can actually carefully
benchmark their OpenCL performance, it's near
impossible to price comparison a Mac Pro right now.
And it appears for any configuration an "apple to
apple" :) price/build comparison is not possible even
with just the GPU.
The PCI SSD is also a benchmark test waiting to be
done to see if it fact does deliver the performance
difference claimed - but given the impossibility of
putting in a variety of parts for testing in a the new
Mac Pro, this also will likely be somewhat inaccurate.
But I'm not sure PCI SSD vs current SSD options,
including a RAID 1 SSD ,offers that much boost. And
the limitations of the storage design in the new Mac
Pro introduce a number of other issues related to
expandability, flexibility etc.
Plus the article does not actually build anything nor
benchmark either the DIY system or the Mac Pro - so
all the valuations are essentially meaningless. It's
just an internet shopping cart article. The one
published Geekbench benchmark that was out there is
not exactly blazing - and the only thing that should
matter is actual application performance. Until that
is tested - an article like this does not tell you
anything other than Apple used a lot of custom,
proprietary parts that you can't buy off the shelf.
Throwing money at the effort to mimic the Mac Pro
parts list to "prove" the MacPro is a "value" seems
like a waste of time - if you did this with an iPhone,
you would get a similar result. The real question is
what Mac Pro's real world performance in various
configs are and what parts are required to match it.
My DIY builds are set to give real world performance
that matches or exceed Xenon based setups at half the
price. That's perfectly doable on the CPU side. The
Mac Pro may have GPU advantage based on essentially
cutting down workstation cards that we've always
expected were overpriced �- but that information has
not been tested and 100% proved yet.
stephen van vuuren
336.202.4777
http://www.insaturnsrings.com/
http://www.sv2dcp.com/
http://www.sv2studios.com/
A film is - or should be - more like music than like
fiction. It should be a progression of moods and
feelings. The theme, what's behind the emotion, the
meaning, all that comes later.
-Stanley Kubrick
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From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv]
On Behalf Of Dave Bittner
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 9:46 AM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] (OT) New Mac Pro - Who's getting it?
Here's an interesting article on the value proposition
of the new Mac Pro. Turns out it's tough to build a
comparable machine for the price. -
<http://www.electronista.com/articles/13/12/24/does.better.in.some.areas.but.cant.compete.on.cost.or.specs/>
On Dec 23, 2013, at 1:20PM, Dave Bittner <dave@pixelworkshop.com>
wrote:
> I've switched our main edit suite system to a 27"
i7 iMac after realizing that it renders about three
times faster than the 2008 Mac Pro it's replacing.
I've got a 30" monitor hooked up to it, and a fast
external RAID via a cheap Thunderbolt to SATA adapter.
We're running AE, FCPX and Maya on it, primarily, and
for what we do it's plenty fast. (We are rarely under
tight delivery deadlines where rendering speed would
make or break us. In fact, the biggest bottleneck
these days seems to be h.264 encoding for delivery.)
>
> As for the new Mac Pro, if you need the speed it
doesn't seem the price should make all that much
difference. Even if you replace it after two years, a
couple of grand difference in price shouldn't break
the bank for an active shop with a decent number of
projects coming through. It's amazing to me that after
all these years people are still shocked - Shocked! -
that there's a premium for Mac OS workstations. For
our small shop it's worth it, since we know the Mac OS
and know how to troubleshoot it.
>
> Interesting times, with all of these incredibly
fast machines for choose from. Now if you'll excuse
me, I'm going to go play Marathon on my Quadra 700...
>
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