Return-Path: Received: from [64.29.147.237] (HELO mail24c25-2209.carrierzone.com) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5330253 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 02:33:10 +0100 X-Authenticated-User: albion.speakeasy.net Received: from [192.168.1.125] (c-67-185-28-214.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [67.185.28.214]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail24c25-2209.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id rBS1aLHn007642 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 01:36:22 +0000 From: James Culbertson Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B3A944EF-C6E0-460A-8F7E-4E0985089A2C" Subject: Re: [AE] (OT) New Mac Pro - Who's getting it? Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 17:35:47 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: <50F66FBC-997F-4220-8CC0-6C31D79309BD@speakeasy.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.1 cv=bvZ1Wiqi c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=Y/MgaaCAW/y6DJCnCmasCA==:117 a=Y/MgaaCAW/y6DJCnCmasCA==:17 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=g0qM3YM6AAAA:8 a=sj8xHyxJ8GQA:10 a=A8LQOh1NFgIA:10 a=eVbW6KzvAAAA:8 a=tVlM9X-CyKQA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=o_F3oeAkAAAA:8 a=Baz53L8QNIw_EvTTOcQA:9 a=eo8QEubSsICuvUC8:21 a=bqZvJyPEFSj8Np9J:21 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=dXq6eXrtzwwA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=GB4knmOL_D4TExMUHFAA:9 a=4_Jp4TPfT3E-UOwY:21 a=F-lnQEErMmdq5k-n:21 a=Fo3nB-5uGja-OimG:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=A9GcpcdWzBkA:10 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020208.52BE2B17.0054,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 --Apple-Mail=_B3A944EF-C6E0-460A-8F7E-4E0985089A2C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 FWIW, the first tear downs of the new mac pro have found that the CPU is = removable, in all cases using the same standard socket. So, that leaves = open the possibility of future upgradeability. James On Dec 23, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Dave Bittner wrote: > I=92ve switched our main edit suite system to a 27=94 i7 iMac after = realizing that it renders about three times faster than the 2008 Mac Pro = it=92s replacing. I=92ve got a 30=94 monitor hooked up to it, and a fast = external RAID via a cheap Thunderbolt to SATA adapter. We=92re running = AE, FCPX and Maya on it, primarily, and for what we do it=92s plenty = fast. (We are rarely under tight delivery deadlines where rendering = speed would make or break us. In fact, the biggest bottleneck these days = seems to be h.264 encoding for delivery.) >=20 > As for the new Mac Pro, if you need the speed it doesn=92t seem the = price should make all that much difference. Even if you replace it after = two years, a couple of grand difference in price shouldn=92t break the = bank for an active shop with a decent number of projects coming through. = It=92s amazing to me that after all these years people are still shocked = - Shocked! - that there=92s a premium for Mac OS workstations. For our = small shop it=92s worth it, since we know the Mac OS and know how to = troubleshoot it.=20 >=20 > Interesting times, with all of these incredibly fast machines for = choose from. Now if you=92ll excuse me, I=92m going to go play Marathon = on my Quadra 700=85 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Dec 22, 2013, at 12:33AM, Robert Houghton = wrote: >=20 >> I think I might not get the Mac Pro, while the features such as the = increased bandwidth, accuracy and workstation class video cards are nice = they seem to be overkill for what I do which is primarily motion = graphics with a growing amount of 3D animation. When honestly looking at = it, unless you happen to have a monitor with retina-type resolution = already (I don't presently), the iMac when maxed out at 27" seems to be = a good buy. The only thing really holding me back is the mobile video = card on the iMac unless someone can tell me that it can hold a candle to = a full power video card like a 770 or 780. I do know that a Dell = equivalent to the Mac 27" will run about $650. >>=20 >> -Rob >>=20 >=20 > >=20 > Dave Bittner - Pixel Workshop Inc. > www.pixelworkshop.com > 410.381.8555 > Twitter @bittner >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_B3A944EF-C6E0-460A-8F7E-4E0985089A2C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
I=92ve switched our main = edit suite system to a 27=94 i7 iMac after realizing that it renders = about three times faster than the 2008 Mac Pro it=92s replacing. I=92ve = got a 30=94 monitor hooked up to it, and a fast external RAID via a = cheap Thunderbolt to SATA adapter. We=92re running AE, FCPX and Maya on = it, primarily, and for what we do it=92s plenty fast. (We are rarely = under tight delivery deadlines where rendering speed would make or break = us. In fact, the biggest bottleneck these days seems to be h.264 = encoding for delivery.)

As for the new Mac Pro, = if you need the speed it doesn=92t seem the price should make all that = much difference. Even if you replace it after two years, a couple of = grand difference in price shouldn=92t break the bank for an active shop = with a decent number of projects coming through. It=92s amazing to me = that after all these years people are still shocked - Shocked! - that = there=92s a premium for Mac OS workstations. For our small shop it=92s = worth it, since we know the Mac OS and know how to troubleshoot = it. 

Interesting times, with all of these = incredibly fast machines for choose from. Now if you=92ll excuse me, I=92m= going to go play Marathon on my Quadra = 700=85




On Dec 22, 2013, at 12:33AM, Robert Houghton <gfxguy74@gmail.com> = wrote:

I think I might not get the Mac = Pro, while the features such as the increased bandwidth, accuracy and = workstation class video cards are nice they seem to be overkill for = what I do which is primarily motion graphics with a growing amount = of 3D animation. When honestly looking at it, unless you happen to = have a monitor with retina-type resolution already (I don't = presently), the iMac when maxed out at 27" seems to be a good buy. The = only thing really holding me back is the mobile video card on the = iMac unless someone can tell me that it can hold a candle to a full = power video card like a 770 or 780. I do know that a Dell = equivalent to the Mac 27" will run about $650.

    =    -Rob


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Dave Bittner - Pixel Workshop Inc.
www.pixelworkshop.com
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Twitter = @bittner





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