Return-Path: Received: from atl4mhob03.myregisteredsite.com ([209.17.115.41] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5330854 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sun, 29 Dec 2013 02:01:35 +0100 Received: from mailpod.hostingplatform.com ([10.30.71.206]) by atl4mhob03.myregisteredsite.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rBT14muT012127 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2013 20:04:48 -0500 Received: (qmail 22231 invoked by uid 0); 29 Dec 2013 01:04:48 -0000 X-TCPREMOTEIP: 24.73.238.28 X-Authenticated-UID: dsd@darkskydigital.com Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (dsd@darkskydigital.com@24.73.238.28) by 0 with ESMTPA; 29 Dec 2013 01:04:47 -0000 From: Dann Stubbs Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-10--197503288 Subject: Re: [AE] (OT) New Mac Pro - Who's getting it? Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 20:04:33 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: <0FF6F219-3A00-456A-82A0-AC8BC3D5A895@darkskydigital.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) --Apple-Mail-10--197503288 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 i wonder about the future upgradability as people are saying - apple has = never done that route very well especially in such a box where putting in future potentially hotter = chips could be bad, and anything "custom" like boards (the round circuit = board in the sunflower imac for example) or chip sets/processors that = are "apple only" are destined to always be more expensive then mass = market commodity chips or processors, in three months there will be = faster mass market processors and other chipsets that will surpass what = is on this new mac for half ht cost unfortunately. bus speed is not = everything as i had an SGI Indigo2 and i remember the Indy and 02 has = massive bus speeds but it didn't save them either. despite their fancy = cases (the SGI 02 actually looks a lot like the new mac) usually mass = market =3D cheaper and that unfortunately wins in the end usually if i remember right apple has in the past with many new versions of = hardware used sockets on the first batches (possibly to allow for = upgrade/swap if issues or for hardware development issues/changes) but i = think future versions will be soldered as it's cheaper and ensures the = pay for your next hardware upgrade that is what keeps apples hardware = business in business ___________________________________________________________________ Dann Stubbs - dann@darkskydigital.com Dark Sky Digital - http://www.darkskydigital.com http://www.RenderKing.com Value Priced C4D, VRAY Render Farm ___________________________________________________________________ On Dec 28, 2013, at 7:03 PM, Jim Lang wrote: > The NYT gave it a positive review, but emphasized the big price tag. = I believe it's made stateside, so am willing to cut Apple a little = slack. >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 8:35 PM, James Culbertson = wrote: > FWIW, the first tear downs of the new mac pro have found that the CPU = is removable, in all cases using the same standard socket. So, that = leaves open the possibility of future upgradeability. >=20 > James >=20 >=20 > On Dec 23, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Dave Bittner wrote: >=20 >> I=92ve switched our main edit suite system to a 27=94 i7 iMac after = realizing that it renders about three times faster than the 2008 Mac Pro = it=92s replacing. I=92ve got a 30=94 monitor hooked up to it, and a fast = external RAID via a cheap Thunderbolt to SATA adapter. We=92re running = AE, FCPX and Maya on it, primarily, and for what we do it=92s plenty = fast. (We are rarely under tight delivery deadlines where rendering = speed would make or break us. In fact, the biggest bottleneck these days = seems to be h.264 encoding for delivery.) >>=20 >> As for the new Mac Pro, if you need the speed it doesn=92t seem the = price should make all that much difference. Even if you replace it after = two years, a couple of grand difference in price shouldn=92t break the = bank for an active shop with a decent number of projects coming through. = It=92s amazing to me that after all these years people are still shocked = - Shocked! - that there=92s a premium for Mac OS workstations. For our = small shop it=92s worth it, since we know the Mac OS and know how to = troubleshoot it.=20 >>=20 >> Interesting times, with all of these incredibly fast machines for = choose from. Now if you=92ll excuse me, I=92m going to go play Marathon = on my Quadra 700=85 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Dec 22, 2013, at 12:33AM, Robert Houghton = wrote: >>=20 >>> I think I might not get the Mac Pro, while the features such as the = increased bandwidth, accuracy and workstation class video cards are nice = they seem to be overkill for what I do which is primarily motion = graphics with a growing amount of 3D animation. When honestly looking at = it, unless you happen to have a monitor with retina-type resolution = already (I don't presently), the iMac when maxed out at 27" seems to be = a good buy. The only thing really holding me back is the mobile video = card on the iMac unless someone can tell me that it can hold a candle to = a full power video card like a 770 or 780. I do know that a Dell = equivalent to the Mac 27" will run about $650. >>>=20 >>> -Rob >>>=20 >>=20 >> >>=20 >>=20 >> Dave Bittner - Pixel Workshop Inc. >> www.pixelworkshop.com >> 410.381.8555 >> Twitter @bittner >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-10--197503288 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 i = wonder about the future upgradability as people are saying - apple has = never done that route very well

especially in such a = box where putting in future potentially hotter chips could be bad, and = anything "custom" like boards (the round circuit board in the sunflower = imac for example) or chip sets/processors that are "apple only" are = destined to always be more expensive then mass market commodity chips or = processors, in three months there will be faster mass market processors = and other chipsets that will surpass what is on this new mac for half ht = cost unfortunately. bus speed is not everything as i had an SGI Indigo2 = and i remember the Indy and 02 has massive bus speeds but it didn't save = them either. despite their fancy cases (the SGI 02 actually looks a lot = like the new mac)  usually mass market =3D cheaper and that = unfortunately wins in the end usually

if i = remember right apple has in the past with many new versions of hardware = used sockets on the first batches (possibly to allow for upgrade/swap if = issues or for hardware development issues/changes) but i think future = versions will be soldered as it's cheaper and ensures the pay for your = next hardware upgrade that is what keeps apples hardware business in = business


Dann = Stubbs  -  dann@darkskydigital.com
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On Dec 28, 2013, at 7:03 PM, Jim Lang wrote:

The NYT gave it a positive review, but emphasized the big = price tag.  I believe it's made stateside, so am willing to cut = Apple a little slack.


On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 8:35 PM, James Culbertson <albion@speakeasy.net> = wrote:
FWIW, the first tear downs of = the new mac pro have found that the CPU is removable, in all cases using = the same standard socket. So, that leaves open the possibility of future = upgradeability.

James


On Dec 23, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Dave Bittner = wrote:

I=92ve switched = our main edit suite system to a 27=94 i7 iMac after realizing that it = renders about three times faster than the 2008 Mac Pro it=92s replacing. = I=92ve got a 30=94 monitor hooked up to it, and a fast external RAID via = a cheap Thunderbolt to SATA adapter. We=92re running AE, FCPX and Maya = on it, primarily, and for what we do it=92s plenty fast. (We are rarely = under tight delivery deadlines where rendering speed would make or break = us. In fact, the biggest bottleneck these days seems to be h.264 = encoding for delivery.)

As for the new Mac Pro, if you need the speed it = doesn=92t seem the price should make all that much difference. Even if = you replace it after two years, a couple of grand difference in price = shouldn=92t break the bank for an active shop with a decent number of = projects coming through. It=92s amazing to me that after all these years = people are still shocked - Shocked! - that there=92s a premium for Mac = OS workstations. For our small shop it=92s worth it, since we know the = Mac OS and know how to troubleshoot it. 

Interesting times, with all = of these incredibly fast machines for choose from. Now if you=92ll = excuse me, I=92m going to go play Marathon on my Quadra = 700=85





On Dec 22, 2013, at 12:33AM, = Robert Houghton <gfxguy74@gmail.com> wrote:

I think I might not get the Mac Pro, while the features = such as the increased bandwidth, accuracy and workstation = class video cards are nice they seem to be overkill for what I do = which is primarily motion graphics with a growing amount of 3D = animation. When honestly looking at it, unless you happen to have a = monitor with retina-type resolution already (I don't presently), = the iMac when maxed out at 27" seems to be a good buy. The only thing = really holding me back is the mobile video card on the iMac unless = someone can tell me that it can hold a candle to a full power video card = like a 770 or 780. I do know that a Dell equivalent to the Mac 27" = will run about $650.

      =  -Rob


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