Return-Path: Received: from mout.perfora.net ([74.208.4.195] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5336955 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 01:50:53 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.5] (CPE-72-135-117-181.new.res.rr.com [72.135.117.181]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MLf11-1W0RCB388B-000yPT; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 19:54:21 -0500 From: Steve Oakley Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F67BFEAF-2111-474E-9FE3-164CB1199F32" Message-Id: <4FA021A1-7528-47CB-98A2-16BF333D0C6B@practicali.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) Subject: Re: [AE] day rates including renting own equipment Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 18:54:20 -0600 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1827) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:ev1zkFnTuZFCa/ODG4kv+mtLoGqNJ/hSUb+tqcyFplD qA91JhMt4AbTd2msBt4AdEaah+glQ+VJMx5SU1jFP2+MdtgwiY nDqNsToA6brEDixdTINzra7BTvlzkoN8Jwx7z6kCe+JZdj32ng QMm4taBfHkgamV+wZqosBD4Pd4/ET9AwylhEKeuqrFIkiqpANn Cbcp1knq44eAWFypHhTcsmA78P1sSgCvW1MLTotOdI4gQnPMvL ZlveMRlbw/o+WORTrjYfgMo7om7627C+/PxU4nAXtLfVgzpVnT WHof1U9vb2j0hltuobEfy89PeIIAHE77PL7sDh18R/UCSNPLwR g8ydD4peNo3nBfYuQbGkydP6v2x3cYZ3Yn7oZDVSdO5u3WCZej ZhC1QM2cx9KCA== --Apple-Mail=_F67BFEAF-2111-474E-9FE3-164CB1199F32 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 8hr day ? who gets that ??? 10hrs if you are lucky, but 1.5X after = that. its the 12hr days that are most profitable but don't kill you. if the commute is more than an hr each way I'd consider local = accommodations aka workings as local. if the rate is good and you can = find a decent cheap place to stay you might just eat it for a multi day = job. might be cheaper than gas / tolls plus you get better sleep and = less stress... maybe even add an hr of OT each day since you aren't = driving. $100/day for software and gear is reasonable for short gigs, but at some = point the client figures out its cheaper for them to buy their own. keep = the money in your pocket and calculate appropriately.=20 also to figure : lunch on or off the clock. my rule is under 30 min its = on the clock, especially if its one where you are 1/2 working while = eating. 1hr and they buy, I'll go off clock for that if its good food :) = however you may get chiselers that expect your an hr off. S On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Phil Spitler wrote: > When I freelanced I would charge extra if I brought my own workstation = which was fully loaded with software. I would charge $100 per day for = that. >=20 > Make sure you specify an 8 or 10 hour day, I have been burned on that = one before and make sure you know what happens after those hours.... = over time, no over time, weekend rates etc. >=20 > Best to get this nailed before you go head first into a project. >=20 >=20 > Phil >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Phil Spitler | Creative Technologist | Bonfire Labs | t : = 415.394.8200 m : 415.571.3139 >=20 > Website | Facebook | LinkedIn >=20 > On Jan 4, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Patrix Paste wrote: >=20 >> it is a couple years old now but still great info=85. >>=20 >> = http://motionographer.com/2011/01/17/motion-graphic-design-census-results/= >>=20 >> I don=92t know of any employer who pays for commute time. >> even if you ride the google bus i don=92t think you paid for the = commute. >> I could be wrong=85. >>=20 >> Just charge more for your equipment in your hourly rate. >>=20 >> people are paid by the hour most everywhere I know. >>=20 >> a 10 hour day is standard, but that includes two hours of overtime. >>=20 >> the sky is the limit. charge what you feel you are worth! >>=20 >> -patrick >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Jan 4, 2014, at 1:58 PM, Rachel Max wrote: >>=20 >>> Oh and also, do you stipulate a maximum number of hours covered in = that day rate? >>>=20 >>> (10 hours?) >>>=20 >>> Thanks in advance, >>> Rachel >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 1:50 PM, Rachel Max wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Hi list - is there a current day rate survey out there for Day = Rates for a Senior Level Designer/Animators? >>>>=20 >>>> Also, do you charge more if you need to bring your own software and = hardware? >>>>=20 >>>> What about for a long/expensive commute? >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks, >>>> Rachel >>>> +---End of message---+ >>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> +---End of message---+ >>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>=20 >>=20 >> +---End of message---+ >> To unsubscribe send any message to --Apple-Mail=_F67BFEAF-2111-474E-9FE3-164CB1199F32 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 8hr = day ? who gets that ???  10hrs if you are lucky, but 1.5X after = that. its the 12hr days that are most profitable but don't kill = you.

if the commute is more than an hr each way I'd = consider local accommodations aka workings as local. if the rate is good = and you can find a decent cheap place to stay you might just eat it for = a multi day job. might be cheaper than gas / tolls plus you get better = sleep and less stress... maybe even add an hr of OT each day since you = aren't driving.

$100/day for software and gear = is reasonable for short gigs, but at some point the client figures out = its cheaper for them to buy their own. keep the money in your pocket and = calculate appropriately. 

also to figure : = lunch on or off the clock. my rule is under 30 min its on the clock, = especially if its one where you are 1/2 working while eating. 1hr and = they buy, I'll go off clock for that if its good food :) however you may = get chiselers that expect your an hr = off.

S

On Jan = 4, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Phil Spitler <phil@bonfirelabs.com> = wrote:

When I freelanced I would charge extra if I brought = my own workstation which was fully loaded with software. I would charge = $100 per day for that.

Make sure you specify an 8 or = 10 hour day, I have been burned on that one before and make sure you = know what happens after those hours.... over time, no over time, weekend = rates etc.

Best to get this nailed before you = go head first into a = project.


Phil

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Phil = Spitler  |  Creative Technologist   |  Bonfire Labs  = |  t : 415.394.8200  m : 415.571.3139

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On Jan 4, 2014, at = 2:11 PM, Patrix Paste wrote:

it is a = couple years old now but still great info=85.

http://motionographer.com/2011/01/17/motion-graphic-design-census-r= esults/

I don=92t know of any employer who pays for commute = time.
even if you ride the google bus i don=92t think you paid for = the commute.
I could be wrong=85.

Just charge more for your = equipment in your hourly rate.

people are paid by the hour most = everywhere I know.

a 10 hour day is standard, but that includes = two hours of overtime.

the sky is the limit. charge what you feel = you are worth!

-patrick



On Jan 4, 2014, at 1:58 = PM, Rachel Max <rachelmax@mac.com> = wrote:

Oh and also, do you stipulate a = maximum number of hours covered in that day = rate?

(10 = hours?)

Thanks in = advance,
Rachel


On Jan 4, 2014, = at 1:50 PM, Rachel Max <rachelmax@mac.com> wrote:

Hi list - is there a current day rate survey out there for = Day Rates for a Senior Level = Designer/Animators?

Also, do you charge more if you = need to bring your own software and = hardware?

What about for a long/expensive = commute?

Thanks,
Rachel
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