Return-Path: Received: from nk11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com ([17.158.161.0] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5337753 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 21:37:22 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.68] (99-152-153-100.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.153.100]) by nk11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MYY008OY444Y830@nk11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 20:40:54 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.11.87,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-01-05_02:2014-01-03,2014-01-05,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1308280000 definitions=main-1401050167 From: Jim Curtis Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A3FDD3DF-A1B1-466D-A17A-D22071F87BBF" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Subject: Re: [AE] day rates including renting own equipment Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 14:40:52 -0600 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-reply-to: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) --Apple-Mail=_A3FDD3DF-A1B1-466D-A17A-D22071F87BBF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Jan 5, 2014, at 12:58 PM, Carey Dissmore = wrote: > I learned a long time ago that leaving your office to work for a = client for anything less than a half-day rate was a sure way to lose = money in business. It just cannot work out in the end. Too much of a = disruption to productivity in the overall picture. >=20 > carey >=20 > On Jan 4, 2014, at 8:14 PM, Jim Curtis wrote: >=20 >> I'd charge a minimum per day, for those times I had to drive in to = make a fifteen minute change. Whether it was a four hour or a one hour = minimum depended on what I could get away with, frankly. =3D That depends on the situation, Carey. For example, I've worked on = projects for a few days, and it goes to the review committee. Client = comes back and says they have "one little change." So, that puts us in = the position of playing hardball, and demanding half-day pay for 15 = minutes work, or maintaining good client relations, and being = reasonable. If you play hardball, they might let their intern make the change, and = put in control of your project at the final stage, and possibly screw it = up by any number of ways. That's why I say that it pays to be flexible. = It can be worth it to be generous every now and then, especially if you = had nothing else booked for that final session. You don't want to cut = off your nose to spite your face. But, I do agree with you as a general rule. Jim C. --Apple-Mail=_A3FDD3DF-A1B1-466D-A17A-D22071F87BBF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 carey@imugonline.com> = wrote:

I learned a long time = ago that leaving your office to work for a client for anything less than = a half-day rate was a sure way to lose money in business. It just cannot = work out in the end. Too much of a disruption to productivity in = the overall = picture.

carey

On Jan 4, = 2014, at 8:14 PM, Jim Curtis <jpcurtis@me.com> wrote:

I'd charge a = minimum per day, for those times I had to drive in to make a fifteen = minute change. Whether it was a four hour or a one hour minimum = depended on what I could get away with, = frankly. =3D

That depends on the situation, = Carey. For example, I've worked on projects for a few days, and it = goes to the review committee. Client comes back and says they have = "one little change." So, that puts us in the position of playing = hardball, and demanding half-day pay for 15 minutes work, or maintaining = good client relations, and being reasonable.

If you play hardball, they = might let their intern make the change, and put in control of your = project at the final stage, and possibly screw it up by any number of = ways. That's why I say that it pays to be flexible. It can = be worth it to be generous every now and then, especially if you had = nothing else booked for that final session. You don't want to cut = off your nose to spite your face.

But, I = do agree with you as a general rule.

Jim = C.

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