Return-Path: Received: from mail-pa0-f50.google.com ([209.85.220.50] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5337875 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 01:22:22 +0100 Received: by mail-pa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id kp14so15949540pab.23 for ; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 16:25:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=h5DkUKWyhAxHQFZChILO72AAEXuLjsA7W+3U/tchMAQ=; b=ntH/xLJxyXC1rBJVyQpdL3jq3aSyRSAnyVW/YzY0MIlLoZ+tcXJXRz992lky3IO8Mv PgeVHTz8/+lFfvcG/QLY779OtVxz/RuQeaSHIQ+HGNwGs5q/MKfy+7qdSm5L9QXaOoXl G8DDZ8qfXuGVuujydaUGMeS9fqrAWxKpr+U7YWfiZhHHYqfQtAYFvR5d4s5pQPpGizSD hA3beDPQF5Vq6Ej5rLVax5AgpOMU1RkiA5I5l+ceL418vwfQoENfDifM159BU5jbQfBG mcLNr1se3Q/P5AC3kz+hL3/9vQloyvdLW/DW5KoGIzUj0LyC0fcVFToCeijmtz918O85 zijg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.69.12.99 with SMTP id ep3mr38413683pbd.86.1388967953141; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 16:25:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.32.41 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 16:25:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 19:25:53 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] day rates including renting own equipment From: Jim Lang To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b67587873973d04ef424d34 --047d7b67587873973d04ef424d34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I work at an 8-hour a day facility. I work more efficiently, and focused than my days in 10-14 hour places. Also, I come into work, feeling fresh, looking forward to work. When I work at the long-hour places, the pace is so slow that it is boring. I think that our systems slow down to prevent burn-out. It's funny how employers think that long hours means they're getting more out of their workers. That is not the case. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 7:54 PM, Steve Oakley wrote: > 8hr day ? who gets that ??? 10hrs if you are lucky, but 1.5X after that. > its the 12hr days that are most profitable but don't kill you. > > if the commute is more than an hr each way I'd consider local > accommodations aka workings as local. if the rate is good and you can fin= d > a decent cheap place to stay you might just eat it for a multi day job. > might be cheaper than gas / tolls plus you get better sleep and less > stress... maybe even add an hr of OT each day since you aren't driving. > > $100/day for software and gear is reasonable for short gigs, but at some > point the client figures out its cheaper for them to buy their own. keep > the money in your pocket and calculate appropriately. > > also to figure : lunch on or off the clock. my rule is under 30 min its o= n > the clock, especially if its one where you are 1/2 working while eating. > 1hr and they buy, I'll go off clock for that if its good food :) however > you may get chiselers that expect your an hr off. > > S > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Phil Spitler wrote: > > When I freelanced I would charge extra if I brought my own workstation > which was fully loaded with software. I would charge $100 per day for tha= t. > > Make sure you specify an 8 or 10 hour day, I have been burned on that one > before and make sure you know what happens after those hours.... over tim= e, > no over time, weekend rates etc. > > Best to get this nailed before you go head first into a project. > > > Phil > > > > > > *Phil Spitler* | Creative Technologist | *Bonfire Labs* | t : > 415.394.8200 m : 415.571.3139 > > Website | Facebook > | LinkedIn > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Patrix Paste wrote: > > it is a couple years old now but still great info=85. > > http://motionographer.com/2011/01/17/motion-graphic-design-census-results= / > > I don=92t know of any employer who pays for commute time. > even if you ride the google bus i don=92t think you paid for the commute. > I could be wrong=85. > > Just charge more for your equipment in your hourly rate. > > people are paid by the hour most everywhere I know. > > a 10 hour day is standard, but that includes two hours of overtime. > > the sky is the limit. charge what you feel you are worth! > > -patrick > > > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 1:58 PM, Rachel Max wrote: > > Oh and also, do you stipulate a maximum number of hours covered in that > day rate? > > > (10 hours?) > > > Thanks in advance, > > Rachel > > > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 1:50 PM, Rachel Max wrote: > > > Hi list - is there a current day rate survey out there for Day Rates for = a > Senior Level Designer/Animators? > > > Also, do you charge more if you need to bring your own software and > hardware? > > > What about for a long/expensive commute? > > > Thanks, > > Rachel > > +---End of message---+ > > To unsubscribe send any message to > > > > +---End of message---+ > > To unsubscribe send any message to > > > > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to > > > --047d7b67587873973d04ef424d34 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I work at an 8-hour a day facility. I work more efficientl= y, and focused than my days in 10-14 hour places. =A0Also, I come into work= , feeling fresh, looking forward to work.
When I work at the long-hour = places, the pace is so slow that it is boring. =A0I think that our systems = slow down to prevent burn-out. =A0
It's funny how employers think that long hours means they're g= etting more out of their workers. =A0That is not the case.


On Sat, Jan 4, 201= 4 at 7:54 PM, Steve Oakley <steveo@practicali.com> wrote= :
8hr day = ? who gets that ??? =A010hrs if you are lucky, but 1.5X after that. its the= 12hr days that are most profitable but don't kill you.

if the commute is more than an hr each way I'd consider = local accommodations aka workings as local. if the rate is good and you can= find a decent cheap place to stay you might just eat it for a multi day jo= b. might be cheaper than gas / tolls plus you get better sleep and less str= ess... maybe even add an hr of OT each day since you aren't driving.

$100/day for software and gear is reasonable for short = gigs, but at some point the client figures out its cheaper for them to buy = their own. keep the money in your pocket and calculate appropriately.=A0

also to figure : lunch on or off the clock. my rule is = under 30 min its on the clock, especially if its one where you are 1/2 work= ing while eating. 1hr and they buy, I'll go off clock for that if its g= ood food :) however you may get chiselers that expect your an hr off.

S
=
On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Phil Spitler <phil@bonfirelabs.com>= ; wrote:

When I freelanced I would charge extra if I brought my own workstation whic= h was fully loaded with software. I would charge $100 per day for that.
Make sure you specify an 8 or 10 hour day, I have been burn= ed on that one before and make sure you know what happens after those hours= .... over time, no over time, weekend rates etc.

Best to get this nailed before you go head first into a= project.


Phil

=




Phil Spitler=A0 |=A0 Creative = Technologist =A0 |=A0=A0Bonfire Labs=A0 |=A0 t : 415.394.820= 0=A0 m : 415.571.3139

Website=A0|=A0Face= book=A0|=A0LinkedIn

On Jan 4, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Patrix Paste wrote:

it is a couple years old now but still great info=85.=

http://motionographer.com/2011/01/17/motion-graphic-design-c= ensus-results/

I don=92t know of any employer who pays for commute time.
even if yo= u ride the google bus i don=92t think you paid for the commute.
I could = be wrong=85.

Just charge more for your equipment in your hourly rate= .

people are paid by the hour most everywhere I know.

a 10 hour da= y is standard, but that includes two hours of overtime.

the sky is t= he limit. charge what you feel you are worth!

-patrick



On Jan 4, 2014, at 1:58 PM, Rachel Max <rachelmax@mac.com> wrote:

Oh an= d also, do you stipulate a maximum number of hours covered in that day rate= ?

(10 hours?)

Thanks in advance,
Rachel


On Jan 4, 2014,= at 1:50 PM, Rachel Max <rachelmax@mac.c= om> wrote:

Hi list - is there a current day rate surv= ey out there for Day Rates for a Senior Level Designer/Animators?

Als= o, do you charge more if you need to bring your own software and hardware?<= br>

Wha= t about for a long/expensive commute?

Thanks,
Rachel
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