Return-Path: Received: from mailout07.yourhostingaccount.com ([65.254.253.58] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5337968 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 04:44:54 +0100 Received: from mailscan11.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.11] helo=mailscan11.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout07.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1W01Ax-0002Ye-E5 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 22:48:27 -0500 Received: from impout01.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.1] helo=impout01.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan11.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1W01Ax-0003zL-9H for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 22:48:27 -0500 Received: from authsmtp09.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.18.9]) by impout01.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id AToR1n0030BkWne01ToRsC; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 22:48:25 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Sc11h4tu c=1 sm=1 a=QN8aa2grUQW1Xja112XO1A==:17 a=7PMtpsbJYaQA:10 a=0ej499FLntIA:10 a=0_W4_Jd4tm4A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=O_RjZzbmAAAA:8 a=pe_6CswnTCQA:10 a=ar7_mbbEAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=P3WmaitpL6A3EjLJIKAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=S1MLFhTO56oA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=6Nsp9XPxgQEopsMv/m97rg==:117 X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.18.9 X-EN-IMPSID: AToR1n0030BkWne01ToRsC Received: from fl-184-5-210-160.dhcp.embarqhsd.net ([184.5.210.160]:51002 helo=[10.0.0.19]) by authsmtp09.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtpa (Exim) id 1W01Av-0003kC-7U for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 22:48:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [AE] day rates including renting own equipment References: From: Rob Birnholz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPad Mail (10B146) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 22:48:24 -0500 To: After Effects Mail List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-EN-UserInfo: 16a2c872279c10d954dfd7e2fcfbfeac:931c98230c6409dcc37fa7e93b490c27 X-EN-AuthUser: absolutemotion@pop.powweb.com Sender: Rob Birnholz X-EN-OrigIP: 184.5.210.160 X-EN-OrigHost: fl-184-5-210-160.dhcp.embarqhsd.net Teddy, I'm not going to get into the specifics of what I bill on a public fo= rum like this. I will say my average rate works out to higher than some on t= his list, but I'm not the most expensive guy around either. I'm a multi- purpose one man band, so depending on what services I'm perform= ing at any given time my rate is variable (I only occasionally work outside m= y own facility). The people I work with and those who have known me a long t= ime appreciate my strengths and understand what I bring to the table. I agre= e my reel is dated, but a good amount of my work is either proprietary or di= fficult to show. I'm also not much of a web guy (obviously), so my site isn'= t that shiny and new either. But the clientele I deal with appreciate my tal= ents and the content on my site is directed at specific market-- and general= ly they seem pretty responsive. You said it seemed I was bragging. Hardly. In fact you'll notice I rarely ta= lk about myself or my work around here. But I am proud that I've survived th= is long, in spite of myself. So that must mean I'm doing *something* right. I'm in awe of much of the talent in this community. I'm never going to be a g= reat artist, but I'm not going to sell myself short either. FWIW, age does bring a certain amount of wisdom (although I still try to imp= rove my skills every day), and having a bit more experience than I did when I= was 30 helps justify a somewhat higher rate. All that said, its not like I'm getting rich at this job. But overall I can'= t complain too loudly. (BTW, I'd be happy to talk about my rates - in private - with Rachel or even= you Teddy. Feel free to give me a call.) Switching gears a tad (to get back on topic). I live in Central Florida, and= while its nice there are other parts of the country (or world) I wouldn't m= ind moving to. But I've noticed that rates in this business don't seem to fl= uctuate too much market to market. I'd probably earn the same $ amount if I l= ived in NY, SF or LA, but my cost of living would skyrocket. At 25 years old, that probably wouldn't be as important. But these days I'd h= ave to seriously downsize if I moved, and I doubt my wife would go for that.= =20 There's a lot more to what you earn (and what you're worth) than just the do= llars and cents of an hourly rate. /rant off Rob Birnholz Absolute Motion Graphics, Inc.=20 Longwood, Florida www.absolutemotiongraphics.com (sent from a mobile device) On Jan 5, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: > What's your rate Rob? Normally I wouldn't ask, but you have certainly rais= ed the question with a statement like that