Return-Path: Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com ([209.85.217.182] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5338305 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 16:24:15 +0100 Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id l4so10053916lbv.13 for ; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 07:27:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=apYXRPaRX5iCsaxuEd9IFRtrHo5eUvFvdOqbf1qhsxM=; b=rC58r6bhHeI0gU+5NR5wc1/yAsdeIG/+HmaQ5BF6eKJiOdqEIOS0+L5a/ANmFJPIXa 6raew9zh7jok3JThf7VjTI+pp8xCQwje34PvMkwhQ5O5dck0gCd1yFB0BcxM24CwXL5Y JXFmE5Ou6zXszTAp1dFCNYV+ejwIffMyACASHVVdkyg4kJGtdc7hqOkpVcBovsKJ11e/ WXlGTLf3n4FCnueRBsWQTBjI2bGxDCeLEB6NTt+tgZ7quP5Vz8rlpFbRc/ekZfILfdSA A235oS3wdlgT2H+/7cVFCB8TYVmUrK8tcxVggcrrzi4/lYogXdFvMy5gYo4omWdI0DhW si9Q== X-Received: by 10.152.219.166 with SMTP id pp6mr945650lac.46.1389022068389; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 07:27:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.22.98 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 07:27:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Byron Nash Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 10:27:27 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] day rates including renting own equipment To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11343296f8ba3704ef4ee60c --001a11343296f8ba3704ef4ee60c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Rob, it sounds a bit like to me that you are operating more out of a small business model. Clients come to you mostly. Whereas, some of these folks are working under a "for hire" freelance model where someone else has the clients and needs additional manpower/talent to get it done. In those cases, the in house freelancer can command less of a day rate than someone who has sought and maintained their own client and equipment. Even though we tend to toss the term freelance around pretty easily, I think a lot of folks who call themselves "freelance" are really just small business owners. Both methods have their merits. I am also encouraged somewhat by Rob being able to fetch a livable rate. I assume you are no spring chick Rob(in a good way) and I think it's good for our industry to have seasoned talent doing quality work. As I get a little older, sometimes I fear this is a young man's game and I'll age out at some point. Staying sharp is a constant concern of mine now that I have a family to look out for. On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 10:48 PM, Rob Birnholz wrote: > Teddy, I'm not going to get into the specifics of what I bill on a public > forum like this. I will say my average rate works out to higher than some > on this list, but I'm not the most expensive guy around either. > > I'm a multi- purpose one man band, so depending on what services I'm > performing at any given time my rate is variable (I only occasionally work > outside my own facility). The people I work with and those who have known > me a long time appreciate my strengths and understand what I bring to the > table. I agree my reel is dated, but a good amount of my work is either > proprietary or difficult to show. I'm also not much of a web guy > (obviously), so my site isn't that shiny and new either. But the clientele > I deal with appreciate my talents and the content on my site is directed at > specific market-- and generally they seem pretty responsive. > > You said it seemed I was bragging. Hardly. In fact you'll notice I rarely > talk about myself or my work around here. But I am proud that I've survived > this long, in spite of myself. So that must mean I'm doing *something* > right. > > I'm in awe of much of the talent in this community. I'm never going to be > a great artist, but I'm not going to sell myself short either. > > FWIW, age does bring a certain amount of wisdom (although I still try to > improve my skills every day), and having a bit more experience than I did > when I was 30 helps justify a somewhat higher rate. > > All that said, its not like I'm getting rich at this job. But overall I > can't complain too loudly. > > (BTW, I'd be happy to talk about my rates - in private - with Rachel or > even you Teddy. Feel free to give me a call.) > > Switching gears a tad (to get back on topic). I live in Central Florida, > and while its nice there are other parts of the country (or world) I > wouldn't mind moving to. But I've noticed that rates in this business don't > seem to fluctuate too much market to market. I'd probably earn the same $ > amount if I lived in NY, SF or LA, but my cost of living would skyrocket. > > At 25 years old, that probably wouldn't be as important. But these days > I'd have to seriously downsize if I moved, and I doubt my wife would go for > that. > > There's a lot more to what you earn (and what you're worth) than just the > dollars and cents of an hourly rate. > > /rant off > > Rob Birnholz > Absolute Motion Graphics, Inc. > Longwood, Florida > www.absolutemotiongraphics.com > > (sent from a mobile device) > > On Jan 5, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: > > > What's your rate Rob? Normally I wouldn't ask, but you have certainly > raised the question with a statement like that > > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to > --001a11343296f8ba3704ef4ee60c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rob, it sounds a bit like to me that you are operating mor= e out of a small business model. Clients come to you mostly. Whereas, some = of these folks are working under a "for hire" freelance model whe= re someone else has the clients and needs additional manpower/talent to get= it done. In those cases, the in house freelancer can command less of a day= rate than someone who has sought and maintained their own client and equip= ment. Even though we tend to toss the term freelance around pretty easily, = I think a lot of folks who call themselves "freelance" are really= just small business owners. Both methods have their merits.=A0

I am also encouraged somewhat by Rob being able to fetch a l= ivable rate. I assume you are no spring chick Rob(in a good way) and I thin= k it's good for our industry to have seasoned talent doing quality work= . As I get a little older, sometimes I fear this is a young man's game = and I'll age out at some point. Staying sharp is a constant concern of = mine now that I have a family to look out for.=A0




On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 10:48 PM, Rob Birnholz <absolutemotion@birnholz.com> wrote:
Teddy, I'm not going to get into the spe= cifics of what I bill on a public forum like this. I will say my average ra= te works out to higher than some on this list, but I'm not the most exp= ensive guy around either.

I'm a multi- purpose one man band, so depending on what services I'= m performing at any given time my rate is variable (I only occasionally wor= k outside my own facility). The people I work with and those who have known= me a long time appreciate my strengths and understand what I bring to the = table. I agree my reel is dated, but a good amount of my work is either pro= prietary or difficult to show. I'm also not much of a web guy (obviousl= y), so my site isn't that shiny and new either. But the clientele I dea= l with appreciate my talents and the content on my site is directed at spec= ific market-- and generally they seem pretty responsive.

You said it seemed I was bragging. Hardly. In fact you'll notice I rare= ly talk about myself or my work around here. But I am proud that I've s= urvived this long, in spite of myself. So that must mean I'm doing *som= ething* right.

I'm in awe of much of the talent in this community. I'm never going= to be a great artist, but I'm not going to sell myself short either.
FWIW, age does bring a certain amount of wisdom (although I still try to im= prove my skills every day), and having a bit more experience than I did whe= n I was 30 helps justify a somewhat higher rate.

All that said, its not like I'm getting rich at this job. But overall I= can't complain too loudly.

(BTW, I'd be happy to talk about my rates - in private - with Rachel or= even you Teddy. Feel free to give me a call.)

Switching gears a tad (to get back on topic). I live in Central Florida, an= d while its nice there are other parts of the country (or world) I wouldn&#= 39;t mind moving to. But I've noticed that rates in this business don&#= 39;t seem to fluctuate too much market to market. I'd probably earn the= same $ amount if I lived in NY, SF or LA, but my cost of living would skyr= ocket.

At 25 years old, that probably wouldn't be as important. But these days= I'd have to seriously downsize if I moved, and I doubt my wife would g= o for that.

There's a lot more to what you earn (and what you're worth) than ju= st the dollars and cents of an hourly rate.

/rant off

Rob Birnholz
Absolute Motion Graphics, Inc.
Longwood, Florida
www.abs= olutemotiongraphics.com

(sent from a mobile device)

On Jan 5, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Teddy Gage <<= a href=3D"mailto:teddygage@gmail.com">teddygage@gmail.com> wrote:
> What's your rate Rob? Normally I wouldn't ask, but you have ce= rtainly raised the question with a statement like that

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