Return-Path: Received: from mout.perfora.net ([74.208.4.195] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5339697 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 08 Jan 2014 03:48:50 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.104] (98.159.184.187.dsl.venturecomm.net [98.159.184.187]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LcSRa-1VZbhO0O18-00jEdQ; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 21:52:25 -0500 From: Steve Oakley Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_58898B95-3334-4B97-A2BF-7EA52EF51530" Message-Id: <81AFED4B-CE5B-432F-98BC-BE241F3C29A2@practicali.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) Subject: Re: [AE] day rates including renting own equipment Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 20:52:24 -0600 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1827) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:+2rojgIGV9dJCha7UDpgNWThJ/A085seKyZjawKYt7m VpUe17JGtaF3WPDoQaa7N62h4Voo7K+CPazNGbTWse7774hGO2 dN4EUImE4GuUotaHz+qVEbor90fQAmfCXEo4JmGlhcTG1rzqFC VljdyvZuNxYPjMt+czgFrJ3lK49Q5Eb1QAeplGuz7j23j7M3YX /wyYfaMsDZyKH64hc6tFWRUFXwP0rtQGGc7t2PUTAsr75rxcsq 5NMgDjytAZQaUlKEzFLB5hMJBk7D6S/qKb/+5vP5a088tScTh8 vfygJxsQX0z3YVk823rwaTfNKXMCQNAnZJhPnwTFCk2WLCuLP7 qDJ8Ch+Dq1n+VfTPfpoPyVU9uvMInexohyLjB2BlwnwvF7sP5o sz5DH+JZVw+5w== --Apple-Mail=_58898B95-3334-4B97-A2BF-7EA52EF51530 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 you know the account rep asked me " please make sure you don't book = yourself out... " as if the production day, 8-10hrs of pre-pro booking = everything, and a couple days of post mean I can't fill the rest of my = time up. I'm 50% convinced because they see me on FB and I've posted = production shots the last day or two its part of the equation. you want = a great rate for the project, you want me to sit on the edge of my chair = waiting for you to feed me maybe 1-2 hrs of work for the entire day, = each day, rather than everything in one day... and I can't do other work = ? ok, my hourly just went up by 8X. Now I don't care if I only work 1 hr = per day for you and don't do anything else... in fact, bring it on ! = I'll gladly bill out 10-20 days for 10-20 hrs of actual work, anytime. S On Jan 7, 2014, at 7:31 PM, adam mercado wrote: > well thats a nice place to be in, in all sincerity and not facetious. = So many clients I've encountered, especially on the agency side, expect = you to give them your unwavering attention at all times. When working on = their projects you dont mention any other clients, punishable by death. = The reality is when I'm juggling several projects at once its impossible = to focus on any one project. Especially when revisions come into play. = Geez, they expect me to be sitting around idle just waiting to jump on = their last minute changes. "What do you mean the past 3 days you've = been working on something else...we need you to finish this NOW!" >=20 > anyhoo, good for you to be in that position and have that relationship = with them. >=20 >=20 > Adam Mercado > Influxx Media Production > Fullerton, CA >=20 > Moving Images. For Business > 714=B0928=B09896 > http://www.influxx.com > http://www.twitter.com/influxx > http://www.linkedin.com/in/influxx > http://influxx.tumblr.com/archive > http://www.flickr.com/photos/influxx >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Jan 7, 2014, at 4:20 PM, Greg Balint wrote: >=20 >> Honestly. I tell my clients I'm busy with other clients projects and = cannot help. I do get busy and what am I supposed to do when I am? So = when I do want time off "I'm busy". They don't "leave" me because I = have other clients and keep busy with other projects. >>=20 >> ///Greg Balint >> //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer >> /321.514.4839 >> delRAZOR.com/ >> =20 >>=20 >> On Jan 7, 2014 7:09 PM, "adam mercado" wrote: >> Thats interesting Greg. How do you manage to turn away clients = confident that will come back to you. I think most people in the = freelance situation take on too much work when it all comes at once for = fear of losing a client to someone else if they turn them away. I speak = from experience here too so its once bitten twice shy for me. >>=20 >> Unlike Greg I make a fraction of what I did when employed, but like = Greg says the time I now have to take an active part in my sons life is = priceless and a sacrifice I'm happy to make. My wife on the other hand = is really tired of the roller coaster ride :-\ >>=20 >>=20 >> Adam Mercado >> Influxx Media Production >> Fullerton, CA >>=20 >> Moving Images. For Business >> 714=B0928=B09896 >> http://www.influxx.com >> http://www.twitter.com/influxx >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/influxx >> http://influxx.tumblr.com/archive >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/influxx >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Jan 7, 2014, at 2:21 PM, Greg Balint wrote: >>=20 >>> I had the most lucrative year in my career last year. Not so much = busy, but I made the highest in one year so far. I learned to not keep = myself super busy constantly, but instead make sure I make enough money = to be happy and comfortable and take some time to enjoy things. >>>=20 >>> I'm probably the farthest from a normal solo at-home freelancer. = There are workweeks which I take days off even though work is on the = table, just to have some time for myself. I even turned-off the light = and took a one month hiatus to try and learn game development some, = while turning away projects. It felt weird to do so, but I'm thankful I = tried it out. I feel I have more time off since I became freelance than = when I worked a 9-5 at an employer. And I make more doing it. >>>=20 >>> I'm not trying to be braggy here. I don't make anywhere near the = yearly amount other listers on here make, but my family is comfortable = most of the time, and I have time to spend with them, which is something = I really value. >>>=20 >>> That said, there are still down times which I really need money = coming in and can't find it sometimes, but they don't happen too often. >>>=20 >>> I have a client pool of about 7 companies and have been lucky that = in most cases, when I'm finishing up one project, another client comes = calling. I didn't have one moment this year where I needed to peruse a = job board or try to drum up business. My clients constantly come to me = alone and know I'm there for them when they need it. (Except when I = decide to be "too busy" which isn't often) >>>=20 >>> I would say the one thing I need to work on most is sacking away = money for taxes and keeping my receipts in order. >>>=20 >>> ///Greg Balint >>> //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer >>> /321.514.4839 >>> delRAZOR.com/ >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> On Jan 7, 2014 3:31 PM, "Carey Dissmore" = wrote: >>> Last year was a real roller coaster. >>> Heck, its always a roller coaster, but last year was extreme. >>> Coming off a long slow December (which promptly filled with family = and domestic stuff!) but booking a lot of stuff now that will keep me = busy at least a couple of months. Good. >>> Need it. Even though I see a few all nighters coming near the end of = the month. >>>=20 >>> LOL and so it goes=85. >>>=20 >>> carey >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Jan 7, 2014, at 12:08 PM, Rob Birnholz = wrote: >>>=20 >>> > It's always up and down. I'm getting my ass kicked with work right = now, but check back in three months and I'll probably be one step away = from standing on a corner with a sign "Will do Post Production for = Food". Then just as things look bleakest the phone will ring again. Last = year was the rockiest I've had since 2002, but I'm developing new = clients and hope this year will be a bit smoother. >>> > >>> > Seems if the AE list were one cooperative we'd cumulatively be = busy every day of the year. ;-) >>> > >>> > Rob Birnholz >>> > ABSOLUTE MOTION GRAPHICS, Inc. >>> > -digital design and post- >>> > Longwood, Florida >>> > www.absolutemotiongraphics.com >>> > >>> > "If you read a lot of books, you're considered well-read. >>> > But if you watch of lot of TV, you're not considered well-viewed." >>> > >>> > On Jan 7, 2014, at 7:32 AM, Mike Janson wrote: >>> > >>> >> is everybody busy but me? haven=92t had a decent gig since = thxgiving :( >>> > >>> > >>> > +---End of message---+ >>> > To unsubscribe send any message to >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> +---End of message---+ >>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_58898B95-3334-4B97-A2BF-7EA52EF51530 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 you = know the account rep asked me " please make sure you don't book yourself = out... " as if the production day, 8-10hrs of pre-pro booking = everything, and a couple days of post mean I can't fill the rest of my = time up. I'm 50% convinced because they see me on FB and I've posted = production shots the last day or two its part of the equation. you want = a great rate for the project, you want me to sit on the edge of my chair = waiting for you to feed me maybe 1-2 hrs of work for the entire day, = each day, rather than everything in one day... and I can't do other work = ? ok, my hourly just went up by 8X. Now I don't care if I only work 1 hr = per day for you and don't do anything else... in fact, bring it on ! = I'll gladly bill out 10-20 days for 10-20 hrs of actual work, = anytime.

S

On Jan 7, 2014, at = 7:31 PM, adam mercado <adam@influxx.com> = wrote:

well thats a nice place to be in, in all sincerity and not facetious. So = many clients I've encountered, especially on the agency side, expect you = to give them your unwavering attention at all times. When working on = their projects you dont mention any other clients, punishable by death. = The reality is when I'm juggling several projects at once its impossible = to focus on any one project. Especially when revisions come into play. = Geez, they expect me to be sitting around idle just waiting to jump on = their last minute changes. "What do you  mean the past 3 days = you've been working on something else...we need you to finish this = NOW!"

anyhoo, good for you to be in that position and = have that relationship with them.



On Jan = 7, 2014, at 4:20 PM, Greg Balint wrote:

Honestly. I tell my clients I'm busy with other clients = projects and cannot help.  I do get busy and what am I supposed to = do when I am?   So when I do want time off "I'm busy".  = They don't "leave" me because I have other clients and keep busy with = other projects.

///Greg Balint
//Art Director / = Motion Graphics Designer
/321.514.4839
delRAZOR.com/
    =

On Jan 7, 2014 7:09 PM, "adam mercado" = <adam@influxx.com> = wrote:
=
Thats interesting Greg. How do you = manage to turn away clients confident that will come back to you. I = think most people in the freelance situation take on too much work when = it all comes at once for fear of losing a client to someone else if they = turn them away. I speak from experience here too so its once bitten = twice shy for me.

Unlike Greg I make a fraction of = what I did when employed, but like Greg says the time I now have to take = an active part in my sons life is priceless and a sacrifice I'm happy to = make. My wife on the other hand is really tired of the roller coaster = ride :-\


Adam Mercado
Influxx Media = Production
Fullerton, CA

Moving = Images. For Business
714=B0928=B09896
=




=

On Jan 7, 2014, at 2:21 PM, Greg Balint = wrote:

I had the most = lucrative year in my career last year. Not so much busy, but I made the = highest in one year so far. I learned to not keep myself super busy = constantly, but instead make sure I make enough money to be happy and = comfortable and take some time to enjoy things.

I'm = probably the farthest from a normal solo at-home freelancer. There are = workweeks which I take days off even though work is on the table, just = to have some time for myself. I even turned-off the light and took a one = month hiatus to try and learn game development some, while turning away = projects. It felt weird to do so, but I'm thankful I tried it out.  = I feel I have more time off since I became freelance than when I worked = a 9-5 at an employer. And I make more doing it.

I'm = not trying to be braggy here. I don't make anywhere near the yearly = amount other listers on here make, but my family is comfortable most of = the time, and I have time to spend with them, which is something I = really value.

That said, there are still down times = which I really need money coming in and can't find it sometimes, but = they don't happen too often.

I have a client pool of = about 7 companies and have been lucky that in most cases, when I'm = finishing up one project, another client comes calling. I didn't have = one moment this year where I needed to peruse a job board or try to drum = up business. My clients constantly come to me alone and know I'm there = for them when they need it. (Except when I decide to be "too busy" which = isn't often)

I would say the one thing I need to work = on most is sacking away money for taxes and keeping my receipts in = order.

///Greg Balint
//Art Director / Motion = Graphics Designer
/321.514.4839
delRAZOR.com/
    =

On Jan 7, 2014 3:31 PM, "Carey Dissmore" = <carey@imugonline.com> wrote:
Last year was a = real roller coaster.
Heck, its always a roller coaster, but last = year was extreme.
Coming off a long slow December (which promptly = filled with family and domestic stuff!) but booking a lot of stuff now = that will keep me busy at least a couple of months. Good.
Need it. = Even though I see a few all nighters coming near the end of the = month.

LOL and so it goes=85.

carey


On = Jan 7, 2014, at 12:08 PM, Rob Birnholz <absolutemotion@birnholz.com> wrote:

= > It's always up and down. I'm getting my ass kicked with work right = now, but check back in three months and I'll probably be one step away = from standing on a corner with a sign "Will do Post Production for = Food". Then just as things look bleakest the phone will ring again. Last = year was the rockiest I've had since 2002, but I'm developing new = clients and hope this year will be a bit smoother.
>
> = Seems if the AE list were one cooperative we'd cumulatively be busy = every day of the year. ;-)
>
> Rob Birnholz
> = ABSOLUTE MOTION GRAPHICS, Inc.
> -digital design and post-
= > Longwood, Florida
> www.absolutemotiongraphics.com
>
> = "If you read a lot of books, you're considered well-read.
> But = if you watch of lot of TV, you're not considered well-viewed."
= >
> On Jan 7, 2014, at 7:32 AM, Mike Janson wrote:
= >
>> is everybody busy but me? haven=92t had a decent gig = since thxgiving :(
>
>
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