Return-Path: Received: from mail-la0-f43.google.com ([209.85.215.43] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5339976 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 08 Jan 2014 12:36:34 +0100 Received: by mail-la0-f43.google.com with SMTP id n7so1061254lam.30 for ; Wed, 08 Jan 2014 03:40:11 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=S1fzI0MFgLoN/deuNuntDSbp+id39ycFMlICr5We+8Y=; b=fwxdmAH/BkU6rb3v0tUl3XJCPcFNJjUIoRduLm8bLuZFnFEFsxd+mq0Vvdz1/0kaS1 aFQ+wfErBVqJkGfaQtsf9hau5u1lNWkTOv12ihDIFJsGA7AB/sbWeWrt6sJMj3CvVoDL d38DJPQVenj+h7LAI3d2Ta2B/EFVQ3fZZuMj26gQRrtiakZU5TgFN9so1dBV5OxDwlFL jiSlKI2taGnlM9gMJpi0dcux/biF+yOj5AGVxvKjiOGpmKA6Y41Qeqp5CRxdr6abPG3i 1NeVZlfoyOkr4K5Eg8+Jzbh1pQKXEarXVLrR0h2ebNbTN811iHWVrBtSKRtqXjUvqd9s 7UoQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkndsdgYxXIEt6iME9vCdvC4ZqKLxgl+HzWE009MBLrfNvs7/rVDNnF4iNJpp2zm3yOSgBq MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.172.69 with SMTP id ba5mr5081353lbc.55.1389181211441; Wed, 08 Jan 2014 03:40:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.99.4 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Jan 2014 03:40:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 11:40:11 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] day rates including renting own equipment From: Phil Bearman To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c23404a30a8c04ef73f4b2 --001a11c23404a30a8c04ef73f4b2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm in a similar situation to Greg, in that my biggest/best clients act as 'middle men' between me and the end users/agencies etc. (I do a lot of corporate work, and the middle men are the event production companies). They deal with all the stuff that I don't like - meeting with clients, filtering through assets removing all the crap and just give me a nice concise brief with the assets that I need, and I'm left to get on with what I do best. They also manage the clients' expectations, in terms of what's possible in a given timeframe/budget, when things will be delivered etc. They kind of act like an interface between me and 'corporate people', translating their buzzword-filled language into something I can work with, and turning my, often blunt, comments into something less 'abrasive' to present to the client! They charge their clients almost double what I charge them for motion graphics, but that's fine by me because they're handling all the crap that I don't want, and I'm still earning an hourly rate that I'm happy with. Like Greg, I sometimes turn regular clients down because I have too much other work on (or at least, I tell them it will be x days/weeks before I can start on it) and they go elsewhere if that won't work for them. They still come back to me with subsequent jobs, presumably because I provide a good service at a reasonable price and they like working with me. They also know that I sometimes get heavily booked up with work, and that they need to give me plenty of notice if they want to guarantee my availability for a job - so they don't promise things to their clients until they've checked my availability. I used to work from home, starting early in the morning and working until late at night, but now I work from a separate office a good distance form home and stick (most of the time) to an ~8 hour day. It hasn't done my income any harm, as I seem to work more productively from my office than I did from home, and it's done my health the world of good - I suffered badly from stress in the past, but I've got on top of that by not allowing myself to be overstretched. Thankfully downtime is very rare for me these days, but when I get it, I use it to catch up with accounts, tidy up hard drives, find ways to improve workflow, do a bit of experimental work/learning (a rare treat these days and something I wish I could do more often), and develop new 'off-the-shelf' products to add to my range. I've actually promised myself this year that I'm going to spend one day a month doing purely experimental stuff / learning so I don't get stuck in a rut in terms of style/ability, Phil --=20 *Phil Bearman* *Phil Bearman Creative Media Solutions* Motion Graphics Design *NEW! Video DJ Toolkit Volume 2 - Occasions: http://philbearman.co.uk/shop/vdj-toolkit-2/ * www.PhilBearman.co.uk : Nightclub & Bar ~ Production, Corporate & Events ~ DVD Products 0161 236 2581 - 9am-5pm, Monday-Friday This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this E-Mail. Please notify the sender immediately by E-Mail if you have received this E-Mail by mistake and delete the E-Mail from your system. E-Mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message or attached documents or for any damage suffered by your computer system caused by any errors or viruses contained in the E-Mail message or any attached documents. On 8 January 2014 06:13, George Loch wrote: > I'm curious if you folks also allow yourself your own creative time - > personal projects? > > -gl > > > On Jan 7, 2014, at 11:08 AM, Rob Birnholz > wrote: > > > It's always up and down. I'm getting my ass kicked with work right now, > but check back in three months and I'll probably be one step away from > standing on a corner with a sign "Will do Post Production for Food". Then > just as things look bleakest the phone will ring again. Last year was the > rockiest I've had since 2002, but I'm developing new clients and hope thi= s > year will be a bit smoother. > > > > Seems if the AE list were one cooperative we'd cumulatively be busy > every day of the year. ;-) > > > > Rob Birnholz > > ABSOLUTE MOTION GRAPHICS, Inc. > > -digital design and post- > > Longwood, Florida > > www.absolutemotiongraphics.com > > > > "If you read a lot of books, you're considered well-read. > > But if you watch of lot of TV, you're not considered well-viewed." > > > > On Jan 7, 2014, at 7:32 AM, Mike Janson wrote: > > > >> is everybody busy but me? haven=92t had a decent gig since thxgiving := ( > > > > > > +---End of message---+ > > To unsubscribe send any message to > > > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to > --001a11c23404a30a8c04ef73f4b2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm in =A0a similar situation to Greg, in that my bigg= est/best clients act as 'middle men' between me and the end users/a= gencies etc. =A0(I do a lot of corporate work, and the middle men are the e= vent production companies). =A0They deal with all the stuff that I don'= t like - meeting with clients, filtering through assets removing all the cr= ap and just give me a nice concise brief with the assets that I need, and I= 'm left to get on with what I do best. =A0

They also manage the clients' expectations, in terms of = what's possible in a given timeframe/budget, when things will be delive= red etc. =A0They kind of act like an interface between me and 'corporat= e people', translating their buzzword-filled language into something I = can work with, and turning my, often blunt, comments into something less &#= 39;abrasive' to present to the client!

They charge their clients almost double what I charge them f= or motion graphics, but that's fine by me because they're handling = all the crap that I don't want, and I'm still earning an hourly rat= e that I'm happy with.

Like Greg, I sometimes turn regular clients down becaus= e I have too much other work on (or at least, I tell them it will be x days= /weeks before I can start on it) and they go elsewhere if that won't wo= rk for them. =A0They still come back to me with subsequent jobs, presumably= because I provide a good service at a reasonable price and they like worki= ng with me. =A0They also know that I sometimes get heavily booked up with w= ork, and that they need to give me plenty of notice if they want to guarant= ee my availability for a job - so they don't promise things to their cl= ients until they've checked my availability.

I used to work from home, starting early in the morning= and working until late at night, but now I work from a separate office a g= ood distance form home and stick (most of the time) to an ~8 hour day. =A0I= t hasn't done my income any harm, as I seem to work more productively f= rom my office than I did from home, and it's done my health the world o= f good - I suffered badly from stress in the past, but I've got on top = of that by not allowing myself to be overstretched.

Thankfully downtime is very rare for me these days, but= when I get it, I use it to catch up with accounts, tidy up hard drives, fi= nd ways to improve workflow, do a bit of experimental work/learning (a rare= treat these days and something I wish I could do more often), and develop = new 'off-the-shelf' products to add to my range. =A0I've actual= ly promised myself this year that I'm going to spend one day a month do= ing purely experimental stuff / learning so I don't get stuck in a rut = in terms of style/ability,

Phil

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On 8 January 2014 06:13, George Loch <george@motoxpress.com> wrote:
I'm curious if you folks also allow yourself your own creative time - p= ersonal projects?

-gl


On Jan 7, 2014, at 11:08 AM, Rob Birnholz <absolutemotion@birnholz.com> wrote:

> It's always up and down. I'm getting my ass kicked with work r= ight now, but check back in three months and I'll probably be one step = away from standing on a corner with a sign "Will do Post Production fo= r Food". Then just as things look bleakest the phone will ring again. = Last year was the rockiest I've had since 2002, but I'm developing = new clients and hope this year will be a bit smoother.
>
> Seems if the AE list were one cooperative we'd cumulatively be bus= y every day of the year. ;-)
>
> Rob Birnholz
> ABSOLUTE MOTION GRAPHICS, Inc.
> -digital design and post-
> Longwood, Florida
> ww= w.absolutemotiongraphics.com
>
> "If you read a lot of books, you're considered well-read.
> But if you watch of lot of TV, you're not considered well-viewed.&= quot;
>
> On Jan 7, 2014, at 7:32 AM, Mike Janson wrote:
>
>> is everybody busy but me? haven=92t had a decent gig since thxgivi= ng :(
>
>
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