Return-Path: Received: from [207.46.163.211] (HELO na01-bl2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5347521 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 21:29:15 +0100 Received: from CO1PR06MB265.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.141.71.15) by CO1PR06MB265.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.141.71.15) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.851.15; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 20:32:56 +0000 Received: from CO1PR06MB265.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.7.16]) by CO1PR06MB265.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.7.94]) with mapi id 15.00.0851.011; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 20:32:56 +0000 From: Stephen van Vuuren To: After Effects Mail List Subject: RE: [AE] Thoughts on ultra-high resolution Thread-Topic: [AE] Thoughts on ultra-high resolution Thread-Index: AQHPEi/EB4vQyGh6sE2FO3zI+GUbs5qGPF2g Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 20:32:55 +0000 Message-ID: <1f311f80e87a45c78e5d13e8efc0e0b1@CO1PR06MB265.namprd06.prod.outlook.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [24.163.5.74] x-forefront-prvs: 00922518D8 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM;SFS:(10019001)(779001)(679001)(689001)(24454002)(199002)(189002)(377454003)(87936001)(19609705001)(74876001)(81686001)(81542001)(87266001)(59766001)(77982001)(19300405004)(76576001)(15975445006)(83072002)(15202345003)(47446002)(56816005)(74502001)(74366001)(93516002)(85852003)(90146001)(85306002)(31966008)(2656002)(74662001)(63696002)(16236675002)(69226001)(76796001)(80022001)(74706001)(66066001)(65816001)(47976001)(51856001)(80976001)(19580405001)(47736001)(19580395003)(79102001)(49866001)(54356001)(53806001)(83322001)(77096001)(46102001)(50986001)(56776001)(92566001)(93136001)(81816001)(76786001)(54316002)(4396001)(81342001)(76482001)(33646001)(74316001)(24736002);DIR:OUT;SFP:1102;SCL:1;SRVR:CO1PR06MB265;H:CO1PR06MB265.namprd06.prod.outlook.com;CLIP:24.163.5.74;FPR:;RD:InfoNoRecords;A:1;MX:1;LANG:en; Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_1f311f80e87a45c78e5d13e8efc0e0b1CO1PR06MB265namprd06pro_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sv2studios.com --_000_1f311f80e87a45c78e5d13e8efc0e0b1CO1PR06MB265namprd06pro_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > You could cut that in half again or better with PCIe flash storage like t= he Fusion ioFX. No question it's fastest way to do for very heavy I/O. But you need money t= o burn - FusionIFX is going to run you $1500 to $2000 for 480GB vs. $400 (o= r in my case I got two Crucial 480's for $270 each). A RAID 0 SSD will be n= early as fast and in my experience you are rarely running a RAM preview in = AE and doing something else I/O heavy at the same time, so that saturation = won't happen in AE that often. Hopefully SSD PCIe storage will come down in price as SSD's have. Hopefully= the new MacPro will prompt more of it - although Thunderbolt has been slow= to come down in price. But I think PCIe has a brighter future since it can= be implemented cheaply in volume. stephen van vuuren 336.202.4777 http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ http://www.sv2dcp.com/ http://www.sv2studios.com/ A film is - or should be - more like music than like fiction. It should be = a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what's behind the emotion, = the meaning, all that comes later. -Stanley Kubrick From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of= Walter Soyka Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 3:24 PM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] Thoughts on ultra-high resolution On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Stephen van Vuuren > wrote: 5. Get the an SSD dedicate to AE cache - you will want 256 to 500 GB = for decent fast cache for 4K previews. Even a 1TB would not be overkill if = your master is over 4K. And you might consider PCIe-attached solid state storage for the cache inst= ead of a SATA SSD. It's startingly easy to saturate the SATA bus with any c= ombination of large rasters, higher bit depths, and lots of layers. A single 19,200 x 8640 buffer at only 8bpc is 632 MB -- or two second's wor= th of bandwidth for SATA 3Gb/s, or one second's worth of bandwidth on SATA = 6Gb/s. You could cut that in half again or better with PCIe flash storage l= ike the Fusion ioFX. Walter Soyka | Keen Live Email walter@keenlive.com Office 845.790.0813 --_000_1f311f80e87a45c78e5d13e8efc0e0b1CO1PR06MB265namprd06pro_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> You could cut= that in half again or better with PCIe flash storage like the Fusion ioFX.=

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No question it’s fa= stest way to do for very heavy I/O. But you need money to burn – Fusi= onIFX is going to run you $1500 to $2000 for 480GB vs. $400 (or in my case I got two Crucial 480’s for $270 each). A RAID 0 SSD will be ne= arly as fast and in my experience you are rarely running a RAM preview in A= E and doing something else I/O heavy at the same time, so that saturation w= on’t happen in AE that often.

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Hopefully SSD PCIe storag= e will come down in price as SSD’s have. Hopefully the new MacPro wil= l prompt more of it – although Thunderbolt has been slow to come down in price. But I think PCIe has a brighter future since it can be impl= emented cheaply in volume.

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stephen van vuuren

336.202.4777

 

http://www.insaturnsrings.com/

http://www.sv2dcp.com/

http://www.sv2studios.com/

 

A film is – or s= hould be – more like music than like fiction. It should be a progress= ion of moods and feelings. The theme, what’s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later.

–Stanley Kubrick=

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From: After = Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Walter Soyka
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 3:24 PM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] Thoughts on ultra-high resolution

 

On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Stephen van Vuuren = <stephen@sv2= studios.com> wrote:

5.       Get the an SSD dedicate to AE cache ̵= 1; you will want 256 to 500 GB for decent fast cache for 4K previews. Even = a 1TB would not be overkill if your master is over 4K.


And you might consider PCIe-attached solid state storage for the cache inst= ead of a SATA SSD. It's startingly easy to saturate the SATA bus with any c= ombination of large rasters, higher bit depths, and lots of layers.

 

A single 19,200 x 8640 buffer at only 8bpc is 632 MB= -- or two second's worth of bandwidth for SATA 3Gb/s, or one second's wort= h of bandwidth on SATA 6Gb/s. You could cut that in half again or better wi= th PCIe flash storage like the Fusion ioFX.

Walter Soyka  |  Keen Live

Email walter@keenlive.com
Office 845.= 790.0813

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