Return-Path: Received: from [208.97.132.5] (HELO homiemail-a106.g.dreamhost.com) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5348775 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 02:07:28 +0100 Received: from homiemail-a106.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a106.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D3772005D107 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 17:11:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=desilence.net; h=from :content-type:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:references:to :in-reply-to; s=desilence.net; bh=fq7bOVoxnX0c1q/03u26cltLI88=; b= FwYhL/YHCpmCBOab+Rzy+zQ5/Jokncm/E1biuimNZ9qWZkEnbprNae1QkzFPBV4M GqZyfNZjAkVAzCg0udek8cPZU6ZBqxOBEOU/IbBauJmUW+b9IzghgK3Q7X7/v+CN DZWPdT2GaL1WHNY2KFF7h//OUFXMdf+UtoDa9q7T1Dk= Received: from [192.168.1.44] (34.Red-81-38-166.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [81.38.166.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: soren@dslnc.com) by homiemail-a106.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 22E072005D105 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 17:11:19 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Christensen?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_628C3DB2-AA67-47EC-A1EC-5CFE7256AD51" Message-Id: <1A0C17C0-8B94-4B70-B9FC-6E5E86F1B16A@desilence.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) Subject: Re: [AE] Thoughts on ultra-high resolution Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 02:11:16 +0100 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1827) --Apple-Mail=_628C3DB2-AA67-47EC-A1EC-5CFE7256AD51 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi Chris As long as you get paid the pixel count in gold you should be fine :-) - = otherwise the resolution seems like a creativity killer. Like many other mentioned the super resolution is overkill in a Guinness = book of records way - Practically the upper 4-5 rows of screens in the array nobody can get = close enough to to actually profit the 4k resolution And visually it is still a video wall. Visible seems. Variation in = screen color temp etc. But - Unless your client wants to show real images you could maybe explore the = generative art scene. Get an interesting installation made that shows = plenty detail showcasing the resolution when being up close and at the = same time generating a collage/ image that is also spectacular watching = from distance. Just an idea Best regards, S=F8ren |||| DESILENCE STUDIO |||| www.dslnc.com - motion & interactivity |||| +34 93 268 0953 / +34 61 555 9963 (mobile) |||| SOCIAL |||| twitter.dslnc.com facebook.dslnc.com |||| SHOWREEL 2013 |||| v5.dslnc.com/reel/ On 16 Jan 2014, at 23:36, Chris Zwar wrote: > Thanks for all the replies. There's another meeting next week with = the agency and I'll be interested to see if they want to go ahead. >=20 > FWIW the display will be an exhibition / art type thing, so the public = can walk right up to the TVs. It's a marketing piece for the TV = manufacturer which is why they insist that each TV has a 4K feed, = otherwise scaling up wouldn't be an issue. >=20 > I looked at the design at it calls for an array of 8 x 9 4K TVs. They = will probably be 60" OLEDs because the 100" will be too big for the = space. That's a native resolution of 30,720 x 19,440. It's definitely = possible, probably just won't be much fun. >=20 > We have met with a technical company who have said there will be no = problems driving it with watchout. >=20 > Although I wasnt involved, the company has previously done an AE = project at 30K x 30K (for Cisco, in 2009) and the basic thing is to = budget for the extra time it takes up. >=20 > If this thing does go ahead, we will probably design and animate = everything in Maya, and comp it in Nuke. This is because we have a = deadline farm that can tile render, so we can build the scene in Maya = and Deadline will automatically split the scene up into 4K outputs for = each screen. Nuke has the same capability. >=20 > If it happens it will look good=85 >=20 > FWIW here's an article on the current record for large size video = productions: >=20 > = http://www.redsharknews.com/m-production/item/1248-and-you-thought-4k-was-= impressive >=20 > -Chris >=20 >=20 >=20 > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to --Apple-Mail=_628C3DB2-AA67-47EC-A1EC-5CFE7256AD51 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/html"; boundary="Apple-Mail=_ECFF5152-8768-4C1C-B26F-2CD1E965CC8C" --Apple-Mail=_ECFF5152-8768-4C1C-B26F-2CD1E965CC8C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
Hi Chris

As long as = you get paid the pixel count in gold you should be fine :-) - otherwise = the resolution seems like a creativity killer.
Like many other = mentioned the super resolution is overkill in a Guinness book of records = way -
Practically the upper 4-5 rows of screens in the array = nobody can get close enough to to actually profit the 4k = resolution
And visually it is still a video wall. Visible = seems. Variation in screen color temp etc.

But = -
Unless your client wants to show real images you could maybe = explore the generative art scene.  Get an interesting installation = made that shows plenty detail showcasing the resolution when being up = close and at the same time generating a collage/ image that is also = spectacular watching from distance.

Just an = idea

Best = regards,
S=F8ren





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On 16 Jan 2014, at 23:36, Chris Zwar <chris@chriszwar.com> = wrote:

Thanks for all the replies.  There's another meeting = next week with the agency and I'll be interested to see if they want to = go ahead.

FWIW the display will be an exhibition / art type = thing, so the public can walk right up to the TVs.  It's a = marketing piece for the TV manufacturer which is why they insist that = each TV has a 4K feed, otherwise scaling up wouldn't be an = issue.

I looked at the design at it calls for an array of 8 x 9 = 4K TVs.  They will probably be 60" OLEDs because the 100" will be = too big for the space.  That's a native resolution of 30,720 x = 19,440.  It's definitely possible, probably just won't be much = fun.

We have met with a technical company who have said there = will be no problems driving it with watchout.

Although I wasnt = involved, the company has previously done an AE project at 30K x 30K = (for Cisco, in 2009) and the basic thing is to budget for the extra time = it takes up.

If this thing does go ahead, we will probably design = and animate everything in Maya, and comp it in Nuke.  This is = because we have a deadline farm that can tile render, so we can build = the scene in Maya and Deadline will automatically split the scene up = into 4K outputs for each screen.  Nuke has the same = capability.

If it happens it will look good=85

FWIW here's = an article on the current record for large size video = productions:

http://www.redsharknews.com/m-production/item/1248-and= -you-thought-4k-was-impressive

-Chris



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