Return-Path: Received: from mail-vc0-f180.google.com ([209.85.220.180] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5354038 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 18:48:23 +0100 Received: by mail-vc0-f180.google.com with SMTP id ks9so3793758vcb.11 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 09:52:24 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=fuEM3pHh/D70lp0Yz0INSoccjoQ2QPLa0TqHyJtfSRs=; b=BWWA1lwyNbtKtfgmeFDFTT4p9p25rqiEIv77ENmDoGjq3fJlqerlXwR67orrh7Bund 4mkwckFTkFvfWyRtYrojNyHtZo9+ppTFjtPb1Sdk7tn2SxwKsVbdqV7KXMrTrwvKWo4A K/5c12UUOaLZjVPfC5i7AtHCKv73NZUiwAkkT8o3BeF8lYGFr2Nx8NtVEQ0ER0feLdac 50qwJ2PZiDPySpihs640z84ARcfiUKHPIclg5XcFJxu6jP9xOOSyy7YWWfyVwbZXeQMq j9LntSNczRWI11jPlckIG7OSYR0Y8JGwruXeBGJv14r1Y/rl6sOObhHe16JLHIU8Ev7K /Y3g== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkHvHNkeaRTuEY18Ufmef7AA/Y1ULj6YPcAiWIK97tZaBnGksGXQz9c/BayNuGIX5t2ekti X-Received: by 10.58.119.161 with SMTP id kv1mr5183576veb.21.1390326744804; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 09:52:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.68.138 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 09:52:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Robert Kjettrup Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 18:52:04 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Mocha question: planar surface coordinates values? To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c32274bf05fd04f07eaba9 --001a11c32274bf05fd04f07eaba9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Never noticed that the transform tools in Mocha could move the surface too. I have all these years manually moved the edges/corners :-D i have always used the transform tools only on the shape points, but i guess when you only use the QWE shortcuts to access the transform tools and it only works on the surface when no shape points are selected it can be easy to overlook. Thanks for the tip. ...to keep this AE related. The AE team should make the mask transform much more like Mocha, its so easy and fast to manipulate the shape, much much faster than the old transform box in AE :-) Robert 2014/1/21 Roland Kahlenberg (RoRK) > Robert, after duplicating a layer in mocha, to reuse the Surface shape for > another tracking task, you can use the Translate tool to move the entire > Surface as a single unit. > > In AE, you may apply Distort>Transform BEFORE the Corner Pin effect, to > offset the Corner Pin. > > > HTH > - Roland Kahlenberg > * LATEST AE Workshop * > MoGraph Intensity Workshop (Shape & Text Layers) Promo - > http://vimeo.com/84649947 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Kjettrup" > To: "After Effects Mail List" > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:26:34 AM > Subject: Re: [AE] Mocha question: planar surface coordinates values? > > > Hi Ross > > > thanks for he answer. > Yes i could just have dublicated the first track, and it would keep the > Surface position. But i had already tracked the other layers and they were > already perfect, so just wanted a way to move the surface to the other > tracking layers with the same coordinates. > > > I did it manually by zoming in and lining the surface edge up to the > viewer edge, switching between the layers and dragging the surface edge of > that layer to the same location. Didn't take long, but a bit surprised that > there wasnt a more exact way to do it. :-) > > > Then consider this a feature request from me for the next version, > exposing surface coordinates values in the UI ;-) > > > Robert > > > > > > > 2014/1/20 Ross Shain < rosss@imagineersystems.com > > > > > Hi Robert, > The public mocha forums found at Imagineer are still down (will be > restored in the future). > > > mocha support team can still be contacted direct by using the support > contact form: > http://www.imagineersystems.com/contact_form > > > > If I am understanding your question, you should be able to duplicate your > mocha layer, leave the surface in the position that you want, than simply > re-track. (duplicate layer icon underneath layer controls OR CNTRL D). > > > As far as I know, the surface coordinates is not something currently > exposed numerically to the user. If you saved the AE corner pin tracking > export format and viewed the file, you would find the corner coordinates - > but there is nowhere within mocha to enter them. For version 4 of mocha we > are working on adding Python support and scripting, so users will be able > to do more with the data and exports. > > > Hope this helps. > -Ross > > > > > > On 20 January 2014 11:51, Robert Kjettrup < robert@stvmayday.dk > wrote: > > > > Hi > > > I have a small question about Mocha that i cant figure out reading the > help files, and the Mocha Forum seems to be down (for good?) and thought > the best place to ask a semi AE related question was on this list. > > > Is there any way to find the coordinates of the surface of one layer and > move/copy them over exact to another tracked layer? > > > Normally i just use the Align Surface command in tracks like this, but in > this case i cant since in some frames the perspective is turned so much > that a full frame aligned surface wont transfer over to AE correct, just > resetting the cornerpin values for those frames. But if i restrict he > Surface to a smaller area around the tracked area it comes over correct, > now i just need to use the exact same values for the surface on some other > tracking layers, but i cant find any place in Mocha where they are shown. > Not even the Dope Sheet or Curve Editor. > Can this be true? > > > or do i just need to manually try to match up the surface for each > tracking layer? > > > - Robert > > > > -- > > Ross Shain > Chief Marketing Officer > Imagineer Systems - developers of mocha planar tracking and visual effects > tools. > > www.imagineersystems.com > Phone: +1.646.298.6458 | Fax: 646.808.0831 | Email: > rosss@imagineersystems.com > > Find us online: > Facebook | Twitter | YouTube | Vimeo > > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to > --001a11c32274bf05fd04f07eaba9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Never noticed that the transform tools in Mocha could move= the surface too.
I have all these years manually moved the edges/corne= rs :-D

i= have always used the transform tools only on the shape points, but i guess= when you only use the QWE shortcuts to access the transform tools and it o= nly works on the surface when no shape points are selected it can be easy t= o overlook.=A0
Thanks for the tip.

...to keep this AE related. The AE= team should make the mask transform much more like Mocha, its so easy and = fast to manipulate the shape, much much faster than the old transform box i= n AE :-)

Robert



2014/1/21 Roland Kahlenberg (RoRK) <= span dir=3D"ltr"><aemaillist@broadcastgems.com>
Robert, after duplicating a layer in mocha, to reuse the Surface shape for = another tracking task, you can use the Translate tool to move the entire Su= rface as a single unit.

In AE, you may apply Distort>Transform BEFORE the Corner Pin effect, to = offset the Corner Pin.


HTH
- Roland Kahlenberg
* LATEST AE Workshop *
MoGraph Intensity Workshop (Shape & Text Layers) Promo - http://vimeo.com/84649947

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Kjettrup" <robert@stvmayday.dk>
To: "After Effects Mail List" <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:26:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AE] Mocha question: planar surface coordinates values?


Hi Ross


thanks for he answer.
Yes i could just have dublicated the first track, and it would keep the Sur= face position. But i had already tracked the other layers and they were alr= eady perfect, so just wanted a way to move the surface to the other trackin= g layers with the same coordinates.


I did it manually by zoming in and lining the surface edge up to the viewer= edge, switching between the layers and dragging the surface edge of that l= ayer to the same location. Didn't take long, but a bit surprised that t= here wasnt a more exact way to do it. :-)


Then consider this a feature request from me for the next version, exposing= surface coordinates values in the UI ;-)


Robert






2014/1/20 Ross Shain < ros= ss@imagineersystems.com >



Hi Robert,
The public mocha forums found at Imagineer are still down (will be restored= in the future).


mocha support team can still be contacted direct by using the support conta= ct form:
= http://www.imagineersystems.com/contact_form



If I am understanding your question, you should be able to duplicate your m= ocha layer, leave the surface in the position that you want, than simply re= -track. (duplicate layer icon underneath layer controls OR CNTRL D).


As far as I know, the surface coordinates is not something currently expose= d numerically to the user. If you saved the AE corner pin tracking export f= ormat and viewed the file, you would find the corner coordinates - but ther= e is nowhere within mocha to enter them. For version 4 of mocha we are work= ing on adding Python support and scripting, so users will be able to do mor= e with the data and exports.


Hope this helps.
-Ross





On 20 January 2014 11:51, Robert Kjettrup < robert@stvmayday.dk > wrote:



Hi


I have a small question about Mocha that i cant figure out reading the help= files, and the Mocha Forum seems to be down (for good?) and thought the be= st place to ask a semi AE related question was on this list.


Is there any way to find the coordinates of the surface of one layer and mo= ve/copy them over exact to another tracked layer?


Normally i just use the Align Surface command in tracks like this, but in t= his case i cant since in some frames the perspective is turned so much that= a full frame aligned surface wont transfer over to AE correct, just resett= ing the cornerpin values for those frames. But if i restrict he Surface to = a smaller area around the tracked area it comes over correct, now i just ne= ed to use the exact same values for the surface on some other tracking laye= rs, but i cant find any place in Mocha where they are shown. Not even the D= ope Sheet or Curve Editor.
Can this be true?


or do i just need to manually try to match up the surface for each tracking= layer?


- Robert



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Ross Shain
Chief Marketing Officer
Imagineer Systems - developers of mocha planar tracking and visual effects = tools.

www.imagineer= systems.com
Phone: +1.646.298.= 6458 | Fax: 646.808= .0831 | Email: rosss@imag= ineersystems.com

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