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Subject: Re: [AE] [AE] Integrating Virtual Set into AE
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 15:12:39 -0600
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That's where Premiere's Ultra Keyer came from.

Benny Christensen
Producers Playhouse
Oklahoma City
405-858-0700

"However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the =
results." - Sir Winston Churchill




On Jan 22, 2014, at 3:02 PM, brian@totaltraining.com wrote:

> Ironic that Adobe acquired a virtual set company (Serious Magic) but =
then failed to ever develop the software into a tool for AE or Premiere. =
I guess they bought the tech for other reasons? Keying, maybe?
>=20
> Brian
> =20
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Robert Kjettrup" <robert@stvmayday.dk>
> To: "After Effects Mail List" <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
> Sent: 1/22/2014 3:56:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [AE] Integrating Virtual Set into AE
> =20
>> > I think its completely the wrong approach. get a Tricaster that =
does a live virtual set,=20
>> > or rent as needed. as a starting point http://www.newtek.com/vse
>> >
>> > doing this all live will be vastly simpler / faster / easier / =
better.... and saner !
>>=20
>>=20
>> Other than Tricaster doesnt do 3d virtual sets that his client want =
to use, it only does a nodal pan on a static image of a studio setup. Or =
at least that is the only way to do it in the Tricaster we have for =
small live web productions
>>=20
>> There are other live solutions that does real 3d studios, with =
realtime tracking of camera, but they are all very expensive as far as i =
know.
>>=20
>> ...regarding the slow nonrealtime AE solution... Element3d does =
import .obj, but you wont get any material setup for you automatic this =
way, you have to reshade the whole setup. And be prepared to go back to =
a 3d program and fix polygons that will triangulate (!) wrong in =
element. I have found importing the .obj into Cinema4d Lite and saving =
it as an .c4d will be read more correctly in Element than a straight =
.obj. Well my only real use of the bundled Cinema4d yet :-)
>>=20
>> - Robert


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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">That's =
where Premiere's Ultra Keyer came from.<div><div =
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auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style=3D"word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space; "><div><div><div><br></div><div>Benny =
Christensen</div></div><div>Producers Playhouse</div><div>Oklahoma =
City</div><div>405-858-0700</div></div><div><div><br></div><div>"However =
beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the =
results."&nbsp;- Sir Winston =
Churchill</div><div><br></div></div></div></span><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
</div>
<br><div><div>On Jan 22, 2014, at 3:02 PM, <a =
href=3D"mailto:brian@totaltraining.com">brian@totaltraining.com</a> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div scroll=3D"auto" class=3D"" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 12pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
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orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div>Ironic that Adobe acquired a =
virtual set company (Serious Magic) but then failed to ever develop the =
software into a tool for AE or Premiere. I guess they bought the tech =
for other reasons? Keying, =
maybe?<br><br>Brian</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>------ Original Message =
------</div><div>From: "Robert Kjettrup" &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:robert@stvmayday.dk">robert@stvmayday.dk</a>&gt;</div><div>=
To: "After Effects Mail List" &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv">AE-List@media-motion.tv</a>&gt;</d=
iv><div>Sent: 1/22/2014 3:56:13 PM</div><div>Subject: Re: [AE] =
Integrating Virtual Set into AE</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div =
id=3D"a343abc4325d4b339b9d439081a54b0f"><blockquote class=3D"cite2" =
cite=3D"x-msg://28/list-5355022@media-motion.tv" type=3D"cite" =
style=3D"margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; padding-left: 10px; =
padding-right: 0px; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; =
border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); margin-top: 3px; padding-top: =
0px;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>&gt; I think its completely the wrong =
approach. get a Tricaster that does a live virtual =
set,&nbsp;<br></div><div>&gt; or rent as needed. as a starting =
point<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"http://www.newtek.com/vse">http://www.newtek.com/vse</a></div><div=
>&gt;</div><div>&gt; doing this all live will be vastly simpler / faster =
/ easier / better.... and saner =
!</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Other than Tricaster doesnt do =
3d virtual sets that his client want to use, it only does a nodal pan on =
a static image of a studio setup. Or at least that is the only way to do =
it in the Tricaster we have for small live web =
productions</div><div><br></div><div>There are other live solutions that =
does real 3d studios, with realtime tracking of camera, but they are all =
very expensive as far as i know.</div><div><br></div><div>...regarding =
the slow nonrealtime AE solution... Element3d does import .obj, but you =
wont get any material setup for you automatic this way, you have to =
reshade the whole setup. And be prepared to go back to a 3d program and =
fix polygons that will triangulate (!) wrong in element. I have found =
importing the .obj into Cinema4d Lite and saving it as an .c4d will be =
read more correctly in Element than a straight .obj. Well my only real =
use of the bundled Cinema4d yet :-)</div><div><br></div><div>- =
Robert</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div>=
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