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From: brian@totaltraining.com
To: "Todd Kopriva" <kopriva@adobe.com>, "After Effects Mail List"
 <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Subject: Re[2]: [AE] Re[2]: [AE] Integrating Virtual Set into AE
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 21:15:25 +0000
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Good to hear! Sorry the virtual sets were hairy though, it's still a=20
potentially nice workflow.

------ Original Message ------
From: "Todd Kopriva" <kopriva@adobe.com>
To: "After Effects Mail List" <AE-List@media-motion.tv>;=20
"brian@totaltraining.com" <brian@totaltraining.com>
Sent: 1/22/2014 4:13:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AE] Re[2]: [AE] Integrating Virtual Set into AE

>We did try to make use of the virtual sets. It was a much hairier mess=20
>than predicted.
>
>The keying technology has been useful, though.
>
>That said, my personal opinion is that we the main benefit of having=20
>bought the company is the employees. Several of my favorite coworkers=20
>are from the Serious Magic acquisition.
>
>
>From: "brian@totaltraining.com" <brian@totaltraining.com>
>Reply-To: After List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>,=20
>"brian@totaltraining.com" <brian@totaltraining.com>
>Date: Wednesday, 22 January 2014 13:02
>To: After List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
>Subject: [AE] Re[2]: [AE] Integrating Virtual Set into AE
>
>Ironic that Adobe acquired a virtual set company (Serious Magic) but=20
>then failed to ever develop the software into a tool for AE or=20
>Premiere. I guess they bought the tech for other reasons? Keying,=20
>maybe?
>
>Brian
>
>------ Original Message ------
>From: "Robert Kjettrup" <robert@stvmayday.dk>
>To: "After Effects Mail List" <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
>Sent: 1/22/2014 3:56:13 PM
>Subject: Re: [AE] Integrating Virtual Set into AE
>
>> > I think its completely the wrong approach. get a Tricaster that does=
=20
>>a live virtual set,
>> > or rent as needed. as a starting point http://www.newtek.com/vse
>> >
>> > doing this all live will be vastly simpler / faster / easier /=20
>>better.... and saner !
>>
>>
>>Other than Tricaster doesnt do 3d virtual sets that his client want to=
=20
>>use, it only does a nodal pan on a static image of a studio setup. Or=20
>>at least that is the only way to do it in the Tricaster we have for=20
>>small live web productions
>>
>>There are other live solutions that does real 3d studios, with=20
>>realtime tracking of camera, but they are all very expensive as far as=
=20
>>i know.
>>
>>...regarding the slow nonrealtime AE solution... Element3d does import=
=20
>>.obj, but you wont get any material setup for you automatic this way,=20
>>you have to reshade the whole setup. And be prepared to go back to a=20
>>3d program and fix polygons that will triangulate (!) wrong in=20
>>element. I have found importing the .obj into Cinema4d Lite and saving=
=20
>>it as an .c4d will be read more correctly in Element than a straight=20
>>.obj. Well my only real use of the bundled Cinema4d yet :-)
>>
>>- Robert
>>
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<DIV>Good to hear! Sorry the virtual sets were hairy though, it's still =
a potentially nice workflow.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV>From: "Todd Kopriva" &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:kopriva@adobe.com">kopriva@=
adobe.com</A>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>To: "After Effects Mail List" &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:AE-List@media-moti=
on.tv">AE-List@media-motion.tv</A>&gt;; "brian@totaltraining.com" &lt;<A=
 href=3D"mailto:brian@totaltraining.com">brian@totaltraining.com</A>&gt;</D=
IV>
<DIV>Sent: 1/22/2014 4:13:30 PM</DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: [AE] Re[2]: [AE] Integrating Virtual Set into AE</DIV>
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<DIV>We did try to make use of the virtual sets. It was a much hairier mess=
 than predicted.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>The keying technology has been useful, though.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>That said, my personal opinion is that we the main benefit of having=
 bought the company is the employees. Several of my favorite coworkers are=
 from the Serious Magic acquisition.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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@totaltraining.com</A>" &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:brian@totaltraining.com">bria=
n@totaltraining.com</A>&gt;<BR><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Reply-To:=
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edia-motion.tv</A>&gt;, "<A href=3D"mailto:brian@totaltraining.com">brian@t=
otaltraining.com</A>" &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:brian@totaltraining.com">brian@=
totaltraining.com</A>&gt;<BR><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Date: </SPAN=
>Wednesday, 22 January 2014 13:02<BR><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:=
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>[AE] Re[2]: [AE] Integrating Virtual Set into AE<BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV scroll=3D"auto">
<DIV>Ironic that Adobe acquired a virtual set company (Serious Magic) but=
 then failed to ever develop the software into a tool for AE or Premiere.=
 I guess they bought the tech for other reasons? Keying, maybe?<BR><BR>Bria=
n</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>------ Original Message ------</DIV>
<DIV>From: "Robert Kjettrup" &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:robert@stvmayday.dk">rob=
ert@stvmayday.dk</A>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>To: "After Effects Mail List" &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:AE-List@media-moti=
on.tv">AE-List@media-motion.tv</A>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>Sent: 1/22/2014 3:56:13 PM</DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: [AE] Integrating Virtual Set into AE</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV>&gt; I think its completely the wrong approach. get a Tricaster that=
 does a live virtual set,&nbsp;<BR></DIV>
<DIV>&gt; or rent as needed. as a starting point <A href=3D"http://www.newt=
ek.com/vse">http://www.newtek.com/vse</A></DIV>
<DIV>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; doing this all live will be vastly simpler / faster / easier /=
 better.... and saner !</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Other than Tricaster doesnt do 3d virtual sets that his client want=
 to use, it only does a nodal pan on a static image of a studio setup. Or=
 at least that is the only way to do it in the Tricaster we have for small=
 live web productions</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>There are other live solutions that does real 3d studios, with realtim=
e tracking of camera, but they are all very expensive as far as i know.</DI=
V>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>...regarding the slow nonrealtime AE solution... Element3d does import=
 .obj, but you wont get any material setup for you automatic this way, you=
 have to reshade the whole setup. And be prepared to go back to a 3d progra=
m and fix polygons that will triangulate (!) wrong in element. I have found=
 importing the .obj into Cinema4d Lite and saving it as an .c4d will be =
read more correctly in Element than a straight .obj. Well my only real use=
 of the bundled Cinema4d yet :-)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>- Robert</DIV>
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