Return-Path: Received: from mail-yk0-f173.google.com ([209.85.160.173] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5375739 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 20:36:22 +0100 Received: by mail-yk0-f173.google.com with SMTP id 10so20511491ykt.4 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 11:41:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=3Tgh58V0uOthX/JnxczaSUd7Dzna1QQFyZzgqls9wo4=; b=icYLtsgRQxT0PuDeMumdHBPFeH1R7h2aEhFWpQbDMvr9e3oOAftakHhXdNcu56iXer 8aF2sKmSCainuOVUWZ7RNuqynTydEvyFXrHc5601B0TZrrlVyXg99UM4AuMqy2BccS4c E5NAXxT8OApQT2cvkNJWog24hQFAYM9e/gLWkPiafiCzZb0Fs3VpgIRwNKsi9eE8H5rI S5Jqu5N/3pMLfkSQt+yKNE8/uux+atYuc0K43mkUW3snB9jgCtTVZk9HeisnM2iFiBEb PJ5TkkLHWXFQv/0plzYV5IEPboU9puyAd2kHDwBY2VR0w8XFaTnB7fEAEL+lSqLwW1op SWLw== X-Received: by 10.236.3.10 with SMTP id 10mr2873242yhg.79.1392320469145; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 11:41:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.170.150.8 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 11:40:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Teddy Gage Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:40:28 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Getting work through a company To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1133c7d2fa1daf04f24ededd --001a1133c7d2fa1daf04f24ededd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes exactly, what Adam said. Unless there is a contractual obligation, such as working for a creative staffing agency, who charges the client say, $130 / hr for your work and pays you $70. But that is completely different. Is there some explicit arrangement where someone in the company is demanding X percentage from you for the referrals? It's a bit unclear from your original post. But I think that would be a bit unorthodox and not a little shady. If you did the work, on your machines, it's your money. They shouldn't demand a "finder's fee" from you, and even if it's their client, they don't have the facilities to provide what you can do. They don't own the client. The hope is, the client is happy with their recommendation and gives them more work in the future. That being said, most folks I know love a nice bottle of bourbon or scotch. Just saying. -TG On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 2:12 PM, adam mercado wrote: > ...or send them a basket of food, or wine or something nice. Other than > money. Just something that says you appreciate the referral and puts you = in > their good graces. Its the sentiment or gesture rather than whether they > like food baskets or not. Especially if they are an bigger agency where a > small monetary kickback will be less significant. > > > *Adam Mercado* > Influxx Media Production > Fullerton, CA > > Moving Images. For Business > *714=B0928=B09896* > http://www.influxx.com > http://www.twitter.com/influxx > http://www.linkedin.com/in/influxx > http://influxx.tumblr.com/archive > http://www.flickr.com/photos/influxx > > > > > > On Feb 13, 2014, at 4:21 AM, Anders Sundstedt wrote: > > Hi, > > > I know this is not a question about AE, but as a freelancer I wanted to a= sk > for advise on this. So don't feel you need to read or reply to this one. > > I have been contacted by a company that would give my details directly to= their clients that are interested in > > > animated video, as they have clients asking for it and they don't create = animated video themselves. > > Now how much of my price/quote of a project would you say is fair to pay = the company who helped me get this work? > > > > It's not someone I have worked with before or a friend that I would expec= t to just give away work to me for free. > > Let's say I would be willing to pay him a certain % of the price for gett= ing me the work. > > > > Also, since they clients wanting the video would be working directly with= me and I would probably invoice the client directly. > > So then it's also a question for long-term, for what would be fair and co= mmon for any addition future work from the same client. > > > > I.e. I could not keep paying the company a finders-fee for ever for all p= rojects. > > Keep in mind the company would not be involved in the production or do an= y of the work, it would all be directly with me and the client. > > > > What would you recommend? > > I certainly need/want the work. > > I could of course make sure the quote would be enough to afford paying th= e company this % of the budget. > > I would not be a consultant working for the company so it would be my own= production, where I can take full the credit for the work. > > > > Thanks > > Anders > > > --=20 _____________________________ VFX & Motion Graphic Artist teddygage dot com --001a1133c7d2fa1daf04f24ededd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes exactly, what Adam said. Unless there is a contractual= obligation, such as working for a creative staffing agency, who charges th= e client say, $130 / hr for your work and pays you $70. But that is complet= ely different. Is there some explicit arrangement where someone in the comp= any is demanding X percentage from you for the referrals? It's a bit un= clear from your original post. But I think that would be a bit unorthodox a= nd not a little shady. If you did the work, on your machines, it's your= money. They shouldn't demand a "finder's fee" from you, = and even if it's their client, they don't have the facilities to pr= ovide what you can do. They don't own the client. The hope is, the clie= nt is happy with their recommendation and gives them more work in the futur= e.=A0

That being said, most folks I know love a nice bottle of bou= rbon or scotch. Just saying.=A0
-TG


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 2:12 PM, adam= mercado <adam@influxx.com> wrote:
...or send them a basket of food, or wine or something nice. Other than mon= ey. Just something that says you appreciate the referral and puts you in th= eir good graces. Its the sentiment or gesture rather than whether they like= food baskets or not. Especially if they are an bigger agency where a small= monetary kickback will be less significant.


Adam Mercado
Influxx Media Production
Fullerton,= CA

Moving Images. For Business
714= =B0928=B09896

On Feb 13, 2014, at 4:21 AM, Anders Sundsted= t wrote:

Hi,
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I know this is not a question about AE, but as a freelancer I wanted to ask=
 
for advise on this. So don't feel you need to read or reply to thi=
s one.
 
I have been contacted by a company that would give my detail=
s directly to their clients that are interested in 



animated video, as they have clients asking for it and they don't creat=
e animated video themselves.
 
Now how much of my price/quote of a pr=
oject would you say is fair to pay the company who helped me get this work?=




 
It's not someone I have worked with before or a friend that I woul=
d expect to just give away work to me for free.
 
Let's say I wou=
ld be willing to pay him a certain % of the price for getting me the work.<=
br>


 
Also, since they clients wanting the video would be working directly w=
ith me and I would probably invoice the client directly.
 
So then it=
's also a question for long-term, for what would be fair and common for=
 any addition future work from the same client.



 
I.e. I could not keep paying the company a finders-fee for ever for al=
l projects.
 
Keep in mind the company would not be involved in the p=
roduction or do any of the work, it would all be directly with me and the c=
lient.



 
What would you recommend?
 
I certainly need/want the work.
 =

I could of course make sure the quote would be enough to afford paying =
the company this % of the budget.
 
I would not be a consultant worki=
ng for the company so it would be my own production, where I can take full =
the credit for the work.



 
Thanks
 
Anders

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