Return-Path: Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com ([209.85.217.182] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5382059 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 21:04:57 +0100 Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id w7so11708822lbi.13 for ; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 12:04:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=CzTUTgzzRuKqHYQ3OTzNd/pLpUqdNl4tvIYgCMku/JY=; b=Eb7r9RfLESNs1SmsU/QHwlTBakEzIKnLUQrID7rICSRUXeEGF16fMdOA5/gEZXdwsY NUyYgB/tf3GpxykqRDSdZa9BH38eslezB63NZ8MVquPMpSYT4A6YbCbUr9Bkz7ZJBi9W 8lNbVQ0e57CXpRwwu6lkuA+e51+GzY7NNNAuu/8iqen6/YxzeylMsAjxWG4o4jZ6KGi8 6pg8iYMg1LoIpaGhvhXyZ1N/s53zJSD1ZQ6PmskmTrXkLBFGXk1dd2nqDXtXypgHqR94 nm/HFUgrtH1vu8q8TIN+AB+DamlkQyNxNyWb74/N+cSJ8K/Sb0ri8wI3IIm4bM0fd38U 3t8Q== X-Received: by 10.152.27.193 with SMTP id v1mr19012227lag.4.1392667495055; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 12:04:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.170.167 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 12:04:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Byron Nash Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 15:04:34 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] firelight To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0158c48655447e04f29fab27 --089e0158c48655447e04f29fab27 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Try one of the random motion expressions on motionscript.com. They give much more realistic motion than wiggle since you have temporal randomness as well. On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk < kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote: > Jim, > > I just emailed you a little sample. Let me know if it's anywhere close. > Maybe that type effect, overlayed where you want it to appear, perhaps > more subtle. > > Eric > > > On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Jim Curtis wrote: > >> I plan to have a camera truck along several framed photos on a virtual >> tabletop, and give the impression they're lit by a fireplace, and casting >> dancing shadows on a virtual back wall and table top. >> >> >> >> On Feb 17, 2014, at 10:54 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" < >> kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Jim, >> >> If I may ask, just for testing, what type of object do you want the >> effect to flicker on? >> >> Eric >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Jim Curtis wrote: >> >>> I'm getting OK results by wiggling a Light with a salmon color. >>> >>> POI: wiggle(20,30) >>> Position: wiggle(10,100) >>> Intensity: wiggle(10,10) Initial Value: 150% >>> >>> Comp is 23.976 fps. >>> >>> But, it still looks a little too regular or cyclical. I think if I >>> added another wiggle to a wiggle, I might get something that looks more >>> random. Or, maybe wiggle the camera. >>> >>> Anyway... I think I'm onto something. Better ideas welcomed. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Feb 17, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk >>> wrote: >>> >>> Ahh, i see. I will poke around more. >>> >>> Eric >>> On Feb 17, 2014 10:30 AM, "Jim Curtis" wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Eric, >>>> >>>> I don't want to create fire, I want to create the look that fire has on >>>> objects: the wiggly shadows and highlights. I'm guessing I could wiggle >>>> the light position, point of interest and add in some fractal noise or use >>>> real fire video and projection mapping. >>>> >>>> I was just hoping not to have to re-invent the wheel in case somebody >>>> has already developed a working method that they'd share. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 17, 2014, at 9:02 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" < >>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey Jim, >>>> >>>> I've never seen a tutorial about fire making that is specific to using >>>> an AE light but if you just mean, building a fire that reacts to light, >>>> I've seen several. Here's one that uses particles. >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z9ti_dGgQE >>>> >>>> The guy in the video above also shows his fire in a separate link >>>> (under more on youtube) or here: >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV_j0RvnXfk&feature=youtu.be&t=24s >>>> >>>> So, I guess practical fire isn't an option, such as some of the Andrew >>>> Kramer stock fire stuff? I know there are a couple of them that look just >>>> like a normal camp fire and are real of course. >>>> >>>> Eric >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Jim Curtis wrote: >>>> >>>>> Does anybody know of a tutorial or technique I can use to make an Ae >>>>> light look like a campfire on layers that accept lights and shadows? >>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* >>>> *Hidden in the Woods | VFX* >>>> *The Night Visitor | VFX* >>>> *443.206.1347 <443.206.1347>* >>>> >>>> *www.kirkproductions.com >>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com >>>> * >>>> *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* >> *Hidden in the Woods | VFX* >> *The Night Visitor | VFX* >> *443.206.1347 <443.206.1347>* >> >> *www.kirkproductions.com >> kirkproductions@gmail.com * >> *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >> * >> >> >> >> > > > -- > *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* > *Hidden in the Woods | VFX* > *The Night Visitor | VFX* > *443.206.1347 <443.206.1347>* > > *www.kirkproductions.com > kirkproductions@gmail.com * > *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ > * > > --089e0158c48655447e04f29fab27 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Try one of the random motion expressions on motionscript.com. They give much more realistic m= otion than wiggle since you have temporal randomness as well.


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Mr. Er= ic D. Kirk <kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote:
Jim,

I just emailed you a little sample= .  Let me know if it's anywhere close.  Maybe that type effec= t, overlayed where you want it to appear, perhaps more subtle.

Eric


On Mon, Feb 17, 20= 14 at 12:08 PM, Jim Curtis <jpcurtis@me.com> wrote:
I plan t= o have a camera truck along several framed photos on a virtual tabletop, an= d give the impression they're lit by a fireplace, and casting dancing s= hadows on a virtual back wall and table top.



On Feb 17, 2014, at 10:54 AM, &= quot;Mr. Eric D. Kirk" <kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote:

Jim,

If I may ask, just for testing, wh= at type of object do you want the effect to flicker on?

Eric


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Jim Curtis <jpcurtis@me.com> wrote:
I'm getting OK results by wiggling = a Light with a salmon color.

POI: wiggle(20,30)Position: wiggle(10,100)
Intensity: wiggle(10,10) Init= ial Value: 150%

Comp is 23.976 fps.  

But= , it still looks a little too regular or cyclical.  I think if I added= another wiggle to a wiggle, I might get something that looks more random. =  Or, maybe wiggle the camera.

Anyway… I think I'm onto something.  Be= tter ideas welcomed.




On Feb 17, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <kirkproductions@gmail.= com> wrote:

Ahh, i see.  I will poke = around more.

Eric

On Feb 17, 2014 10:30 AM, "Jim Curtis"= <jpcurtis@me.com> wrote:
Hi Eric,

I don't= want to create fire, I want to create the look that fire has on objects: t= he wiggly shadows and highlights.  I'm guessing I could wiggle the= light position, point of interest and add in some fractal noise or use rea= l fire video and projection mapping.  

I was just hoping not to have to re-invent the wheel in= case somebody has already developed a working method that they'd share= .

Thanks,
Jim



Hey Jim,

I've never seen a tutorial about fire makin= g that is specific to using an AE light but if you just mean, building a fi= re that reacts to light, I've seen several.  Here's one that u= ses particles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D1z9ti_dGgQE

The guy in the video above also shows his fire in a sep= arate link (under more on youtube) or here:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DWV_j0RvnXfk&feature=3Dyout= u.be&t=3D24s

So, I guess practical fire isn't an option, such as= some of the Andrew Kramer stock fire stuff?  I know there are a coupl= e of them that look just like a normal camp fire and are real of course.

Eric



On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Jim = Curtis <jpcurtis@me.com> wrote:
Does anybody know of a tutorial or technique= I can use to make an Ae light look like a campfire on layers that accept l= ights and shadows?
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Hidden in the Woods | VFX
The Night Visitor | VFX
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Hidden in the Woods | VFX
<= /div>
The Night Visitor | VFX
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kirkproducti= ons@gmail.com
 

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