Return-Path: Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([207.46.163.151] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5382090 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 21:27:01 +0100 Received: from CO1PR06MB267.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.141.71.19) by CO1PR06MB254.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.242.166.153) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.878.16; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 20:26:57 +0000 Received: from CO1PR06MB265.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.141.71.15) by CO1PR06MB267.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.141.71.19) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.878.16; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 20:26:54 +0000 Received: from CO1PR06MB265.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.7.187]) by CO1PR06MB265.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.7.187]) with mapi id 15.00.0878.008; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 20:26:54 +0000 From: Stephen van Vuuren To: After Effects Mail List Subject: RE: [AE] firelight Thread-Topic: [AE] firelight Thread-Index: AQHPLBt6AuNVP7TuBki+P0z72HwY8Zq55Ovw Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 20:26:53 +0000 Message-ID: <973af768fcb0433295f7bf32881a3517@CO1PR06MB265.namprd06.prod.outlook.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [24.163.5.74] x-forefront-prvs: 012570D5A0 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM;SFS:(10019001)(377454003)(24454002)(199002)(189002)(164054003)(65816001)(66066001)(80022001)(76482001)(575784001)(86362001)(95416001)(19609705001)(87266001)(15395725003)(47446002)(94946001)(74366001)(85306002)(87936001)(81342001)(81542001)(15975445006)(95666001)(94316002)(2656002)(93136001)(76576001)(77096001)(16236675002)(53806001)(63696002)(54356001)(49866001)(59766001)(4396001)(69226001)(93516002)(15202345003)(56776001)(47736001)(50986001)(80976001)(19580405001)(19580395003)(83322001)(54316002)(16601075003)(46102001)(81816001)(56816005)(31966008)(90146001)(19273905006)(76796001)(74706001)(76786001)(83072002)(85852003)(74502001)(33646001)(79102001)(19300405004)(74662001)(77982001)(92566001)(74316001)(47976001)(51856001)(74876001)(81686001)(24736002)(563064011);DIR:OUT;SFP:1102;SCL:1;SRVR:CO1PR06MB267;H:CO1PR06MB265.namprd06.prod.outlook.com;CLIP:24.163.5.74;FPR:F68EF125.A6D2DFC0.70E3BFF7.80290871.204FC;PTR:InfoNoRecords;A:1;MX:1;LANG:en; Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_973af768fcb0433295f7bf32881a3517CO1PR06MB265namprd06pro_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Return-Path: stephen@sv2studios.com X-OriginatorOrg: sv2studios.com --_000_973af768fcb0433295f7bf32881a3517CO1PR06MB265namprd06pro_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Second for http://stumaschwitz.com/store/prolostburns stephen van vuuren 336.202.4777 http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ http://www.sv2dcp.com/ http://www.sv2studios.com/ A film is - or should be - more like music than like fiction. It should be = a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what's behind the emotion, = the meaning, all that comes later. -Stanley Kubrick From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of= Byron Nash Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 3:05 PM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] firelight Try one of the random motion expressions on motionscript.com. They give much more realistic motion than wiggle since you have= temporal randomness as well. On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk > wrote: Jim, I just emailed you a little sample. Let me know if it's anywhere close. M= aybe that type effect, overlayed where you want it to appear, perhaps more = subtle. Eric On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Jim Curtis > wrote: I plan to have a camera truck along several framed photos on a virtual tabl= etop, and give the impression they're lit by a fireplace, and casting danci= ng shadows on a virtual back wall and table top. On Feb 17, 2014, at 10:54 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" > wrote: Jim, If I may ask, just for testing, what type of object do you want the effect = to flicker on? Eric On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Jim Curtis > wrote: I'm getting OK results by wiggling a Light with a salmon color. POI: wiggle(20,30) Position: wiggle(10,100) Intensity: wiggle(10,10) Initial Value: 150% Comp is 23.976 fps. But, it still looks a little too regular or cyclical. I think if I added a= nother wiggle to a wiggle, I might get something that looks more random. O= r, maybe wiggle the camera. Anyway... I think I'm onto something. Better ideas welcomed. On Feb 17, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk > wrote: Ahh, i see. I will poke around more. Eric On Feb 17, 2014 10:30 AM, "Jim Curtis" > wrote: Hi Eric, I don't want to create fire, I want to create the look that fire has on obj= ects: the wiggly shadows and highlights. I'm guessing I could wiggle the l= ight position, point of interest and add in some fractal noise or use real = fire video and projection mapping. I was just hoping not to have to re-invent the wheel in case somebody has a= lready developed a working method that they'd share. Thanks, Jim On Feb 17, 2014, at 9:02 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" > wrote: Hey Jim, I've never seen a tutorial about fire making that is specific to using an A= E light but if you just mean, building a fire that reacts to light, I've se= en several. Here's one that uses particles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= =3D1z9ti_dGgQE The guy in the video above also shows his fire in a separate link (under mo= re on youtube) or here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DWV_j0RvnXfk&featu= re=3Dyoutu.be&t=3D24s So, I guess practical fire isn't an option, such as some of the Andrew Kram= er stock fire stuff? I know there are a couple of them that look just like= a normal camp fire and are real of course. Eric On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Jim Curtis > wrote: Does anybody know of a tutorial or technique I can use to make an Ae light = look like a campfire on layers that accept lights and shadows? +---End of message---+ To unsubscribe send any message to > -- Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions Hidden in the Woods | VFX The Night Visitor | VFX 443.206.1347 www.kirkproductions.com kirkproductions@gmail.com IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ -- Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions Hidden in the Woods | VFX The Night Visitor | VFX 443.206.1347 www.kirkproductions.com kirkproductions@gmail.com IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ -- Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions Hidden in the Woods | VFX The Night Visitor | VFX 443.206.1347 www.kirkproductions.com kirkproductions@gmail.com IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ --_000_973af768fcb0433295f7bf32881a3517CO1PR06MB265namprd06pro_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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From: After = Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Byron Nash
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 3:05 PM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] firelight

 

Try one of the random motion expressions on motionscript.com. They give much more realistic motion than wiggle sinc= e you have temporal randomness as well.

 

On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk &= lt;kirkprodu= ctions@gmail.com> wrote:

Jim,

 

I just emailed you a little sample.  Let me kno= w if it's anywhere close.  Maybe that type effect, overlayed where you= want it to appear, perhaps more subtle.

 

Eric=

 

On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Jim Curtis <jpcurtis@me.com> w= rote:

I plan to have a camera truck along several framed p= hotos on a virtual tabletop, and give the impression they're lit by a firep= lace, and casting dancing shadows on a virtual back wall and table top.

 

 

 

On Feb 17, 2014, at 10:54 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk= " <k= irkproductions@gmail.com> wrote:



Jim,

 

If I may ask, just for testing, what type of object = do you want the effect to flicker on?

 

Eric

 

On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Jim Curtis <jpcurtis@me.com> w= rote:

I'm getting OK results by wiggling a Light with a sa= lmon color.

 

POI: wiggle(20,30)

Position: wiggle(10,100)

Intensity: wiggle(10,10) Initial Value: 150%

 

Comp is 23.976 fps.  

 

But, it still looks a little too regular or cyclical= .  I think if I added another wiggle to a wiggle, I might get somethin= g that looks more random.  Or, maybe wiggle the camera.

 

Anyway… I think I'm onto something.  Bett= er ideas welcomed.

 

 

 

 

On Feb 17, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <kirkproduction= s@gmail.com> wrote:



Ahh, i see.  I will poke around more.

Eric

On Feb 17, 2014 10:30 AM, "Jim Curtis" <= ;jpcurtis@me.com&g= t; wrote:

Hi Eric,

 

I don't want to create fire, I want to create the lo= ok that fire has on objects: the wiggly shadows and highlights.  I'm g= uessing I could wiggle the light position, point of interest and add in som= e fractal noise or use real fire video and projection mapping.  

 

I was just hoping not to have to re-invent the wheel= in case somebody has already developed a working method that they'd share.=

 

Thanks,

Jim

 

 

On Feb 17, 2014, at 9:02 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk&= quot; <ki= rkproductions@gmail.com> wrote:



Hey Jim,

 

I've never seen a tutorial about fire making that is= specific to using an AE light but if you just mean, building a fire that r= eacts to light, I've seen several.  Here's one that uses particles.&nb= sp;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D1z9ti_dGgQE

 

The guy in the video above also shows his fire in a = separate link (under more on youtube) or here:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DWV_j0RvnXfk&feature=3Dyou= tu.be&t=3D24s

 

So, I guess practical fire isn't an option, such as = some of the Andrew Kramer stock fire stuff?  I know there are a couple= of them that look just like a normal camp fire and are real of course.

 

Eric

 

 

On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Jim Curtis <jpcurtis@me.com> wr= ote:

Does anybody know of a tutorial or technique I can u= se to make an Ae light look like a campfire on layers that accept lights an= d shadows?
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