Return-Path: Received: from dub0-omc4-s27.dub0.hotmail.com ([157.55.2.102] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5382675 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 13:15:35 +0100 Received: from DUB128-DS9 ([157.55.2.73]) by dub0-omc4-s27.dub0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 18 Feb 2014 04:15:37 -0800 X-TMN: [lokYBBc6h8FOa/zIM/ksPhOl6RKcJyNJ] X-Originating-Email: [sundstedt@outlook.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: sundstedt@outlook.com From: Anders Sundstedt To: "After Effects Mail List" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [AE] Getting work through a company Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 12:15:41 +0000 Organization: Sundstedt Animation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B2_01CF2CA3.24285C70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 16.4.3508.205 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V16.4.3508.205 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Feb 2014 12:15:37.0084 (UTC) FILETIME=[21874BC0:01CF2CA3] ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01CF2CA3.24285C70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Teddy G, Adam M, Py F, Peter M, Tobias L, Greg B and Jim C. There has not resulted in any work yet but all your advice will be = highly useful if a further discussion about some type of referral fee or = finders fee or similar happens. Details about the communication prior to my AE list email (have not = spoken to them since): Nothing was specified with the company but the initial email was asking = to see what re-selling options I would be open for (they have more and = more clients asking for animated videos). Then after a chat it was = mentioned that I would be working directly with the client i.e. they = would not be a middle man doing the communication. I did mention that I = would be open for some type of fee for them referring the work to me but = no sum or percentage were discussed. Thanks, Anders From: Teddy Gage=20 Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 7:40 PM To: After Effects Mail List=20 Subject: Re: [AE] Getting work through a company Yes exactly, what Adam said. Unless there is a contractual obligation, = such as working for a creative staffing agency, who charges the client = say, $130 / hr for your work and pays you $70. But that is completely = different. Is there some explicit arrangement where someone in the = company is demanding X percentage from you for the referrals? It's a bit = unclear from your original post. But I think that would be a bit = unorthodox and not a little shady. If you did the work, on your = machines, it's your money. They shouldn't demand a "finder's fee" from = you, and even if it's their client, they don't have the facilities to = provide what you can do. They don't own the client. The hope is, the = client is happy with their recommendation and gives them more work in = the future. =20 That being said, most folks I know love a nice bottle of bourbon or = scotch. Just saying.=20 -TG On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 2:12 PM, adam mercado wrote: ...or send them a basket of food, or wine or something nice. Other = than money. Just something that says you appreciate the referral and = puts you in their good graces. Its the sentiment or gesture rather than = whether they like food baskets or not. Especially if they are an bigger = agency where a small monetary kickback will be less significant.=20 Adam Mercado Influxx Media Production Fullerton, CA Moving Images. For Business 714=B0928=B09896 http://www.influxx.com http://www.twitter.com/influxx http://www.linkedin.com/in/influxx http://influxx.tumblr.com/archive http://www.flickr.com/photos/influxx On Feb 13, 2014, at 4:21 AM, Anders Sundstedt wrote: Hi,=20 I know this is not a question about AE, but as a freelancer I wanted to = ask for advise on this. So don't feel you need to read or reply to this = one. I have been contacted by a company that would give my details = directly to their clients that are interested in=20 animated video, as they have clients asking for it and they don't create = animated video themselves. Now how much of my price/quote of a project = would you say is fair to pay the company who helped me get this work? It's not someone I have worked with before or a friend that I would = expect to just give away work to me for free. Let's say I would be = willing to pay him a certain % of the price for getting me the work. Also, since they clients wanting the video would be working directly = with me and I would probably invoice the client directly. So then it's = also a question for long-term, for what would be fair and common for any = addition future work from the same client. I.e. I could not keep paying the company a finders-fee for ever for all = projects. Keep in mind the company would not be involved in the = production or do any of the work, it would all be directly with me and = the client. What would you recommend? I certainly need/want the work. I could of = course make sure the quote would be enough to afford paying the company = this % of the budget. I would not be a consultant working for the = company so it would be my own production, where I can take full the = credit for the work. Thanks Anders=20 --=20 _____________________________ VFX & Motion Graphic Artist teddygage dot com ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01CF2CA3.24285C70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you Teddy G, Adam M, Py F, Peter M, Tobias L, Greg B and Jim = C.
 
There has not resulted in any work yet but all your advice will be = highly=20 useful if a further discussion about some type of referral fee or = finders fee or=20 similar happens.
 
Details about the communication prior to my AE list email (have not = spoken=20 to them since):
 
Nothing was specified with the company but the initial email was = asking to=20 see what re-selling options I would be open for (they have more and more = clients=20 asking for animated videos). Then after a chat it was mentioned that I = would be=20 working directly with the client i.e. they would not be a middle man = doing the=20 communication. I did mention that I would be open for some type of fee = for them=20 referring the work to me but no sum or percentage were discussed.
 
Thanks,
 
Anders
 
From: Teddy Gage
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AE] Getting work through a = company
 
Yes exactly, what Adam said. Unless there is a = contractual=20 obligation, such as working for a creative staffing agency, who charges = the=20 client say, $130 / hr for your work and pays you $70. But that is = completely=20 different. Is there some explicit arrangement where someone in the = company is=20 demanding X percentage from you for the referrals? It's a bit unclear = from your=20 original post. But I think that would be a bit unorthodox and not a = little=20 shady. If you did the work, on your machines, it's your money. They = shouldn't=20 demand a "finder's fee" from you, and even if it's their client, they = don't have=20 the facilities to provide what you can do. They don't own the client. = The hope=20 is, the client is happy with their recommendation and gives them more = work in=20 the future. =20
 
That being said, most folks I know love a nice bottle of bourbon or = scotch.=20 Just saying.
-TG


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 2:12 PM, adam mercado = <adam@influxx.com> wrote:
...or send them a basket of food, = or wine=20 or something nice. Other than money. Just something that says you = appreciate=20 the referral and puts you in their good graces. Its the sentiment or = gesture=20 rather than whether they like food baskets or not. Especially if they = are an=20 bigger agency where a small monetary kickback will be less = significant.=20
 
 
Adam Mercado
Influxx Media Production
Fullerton, CA
 
Moving Images. For Business
714=B0928=B09896
 
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=
 
On Feb 13, 2014, at 4:21 AM, Anders Sundstedt wrote:

Hi,
 


I know this is not a question about AE, but as a freelancer I wanted to =
ask 
for advise on this. So don't feel you need to read or reply to =
this one.
 
I have been contacted by a company that would give my =
details directly to their clients that are interested in 



animated video, as they have clients asking for it and they don't create =
animated video themselves.
 
Now how much of my price/quote of a =
project would you say is fair to pay the company who helped me get this =
work?



 
It's not someone I have worked with before or a friend that I would =
expect to just give away work to me for free.
 
Let's say I would =
be willing to pay him a certain % of the price for getting me the =
work.



 
Also, since they clients wanting the video would be working =
directly with me and I would probably invoice the client directly.
 =

So then it's also a question for long-term, for what would be fair =
and common for any addition future work from the same client.



 
I.e. I could not keep paying the company a finders-fee for ever for =
all projects.
 
Keep in mind the company would not be involved in =
the production or do any of the work, it would all be directly with me =
and the client.



 
What would you recommend?
 
I certainly need/want the =
work.
 
I could of course make sure the quote would be enough to =
afford paying the company this % of the budget.
 
I would not be a =
consultant working for the company so it would be my own production, =
where I can take full the credit for the work.



 
Thanks
 
Anders
 


 
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