Return-Path: Received: from eu1sys200aog118.obsmtp.com ([207.126.144.145] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with SMTP id 5389527 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 25 Feb 2014 18:09:04 +0100 Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com ([209.85.212.178]) (using TLSv1) by eu1sys200aob118.postini.com ([207.126.147.11]) with SMTP ID DSNKUwzOP57PRIB+bgjk0kidZ/yufmt/lptc@postini.com; Tue, 25 Feb 2014 17:09:20 UTC Received: by mail-wi0-f178.google.com with SMTP id cc10so1034095wib.11 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2014 09:09:19 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=n9vx0NAhjygP2pdLP+w7bwdo3U+LaZClSaOsr1mYu0s=; b=SRlP32xfeeNVPxAF1cqltMyyNIjLE5w2z+8cS6UaWMQ/c9mJPn87kw0U9fr0FNWE80 ad/uKyLmCHovExUdsN8Nqnwj5msIpT7QQ3+SXRMLZU1FawQD9dni7247GAkb579mJi94 hGXQt5MKbAeq+RAilbd6elidk8CeB0AD8lJVpyc+S26tmYhJfvPGEpPLMp6mIucnFKKL mj7KdGtxOojyh93MHLSdLjxr3sS+uXrO7OlkD67XIM5vlSzNz+C5FWzk16StZHWEToQ4 KEPXwmXUZbuntfEVVUvjRxzz1bPiGnPxKQ8byaa54qUo1BDhMmjm09u8sQpJ7ic1apBR sRmA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmKMGXsEq7I9GCBipYjRSLBZXXCcBgegKyEBtC2mo3iPWVANG9K6KcjFPML5R1I463ANuTZ0IjHNLroC1ZxIxPMnG1eDyXtGrWcY97XVdlAjSZ1DWy89hIXrpmk0+EI2ySuYU1m33JAtvfZVf6qeszpwq3WUIbl/ir1R+ytSwFoZ1uRQXM= X-Received: by 10.180.19.35 with SMTP id b3mr1066384wie.20.1393348159733; Tue, 25 Feb 2014 09:09:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.19.35 with SMTP id b3mr1066362wie.20.1393348159488; Tue, 25 Feb 2014 09:09:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.21.10 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Feb 2014 09:09:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 12:09:19 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Motion tracking From: Ross Shain To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec53d5eb518576604f33e26f6 --bcaec53d5eb518576604f33e26f6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I forgot to mention lens distortion. If you are new to this, keep in mind that you will need to match the distortion when you drop in your 3D. There are various methods for this out there and most 3D tracking apps have this kind of feature. After Effects does have optics compensation plug-in but has minimal parameters. If you need a specific tool for this, actually mocha AE v3 (not the bundled one) includes a Lens Module that calculates the distortion and then can be pasted into AE via a free mocha lens plug-in to distort or undistort. Another video link: http://www.imagineersystems.com/videos/mocha-lens-plug-in-for-after-effects-part-1/view On 25 February 2014 11:48, John Morgan wrote: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aNsji0wHPE&feature=youtu.be > > > > Stabilized by onboard Zenmuse gimbal and default Warp Stabilizer > settings. Shot on cloudy day...was just a test shot. Exported a low quality. > My first with the new gimbal. Seem good enough for tracking? GoPro Hero > 3+. > > > > John > > > > *From:* After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] *On > Behalf Of *Ross Shain > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 25, 2014 7:59 AM > *To:* After Effects Mail List > *Subject:* Re: [AE] Motion tracking > > > > As Chris mentions, drone footage can produce motion blur (or undesirable > camera motion). First you will probably want to stabilize/smooth your > footage. > > Most likely markers are not needed for aerial footage and most of the 3D > trackers will be able to handle basic moves. > > > > Since this is your first 3D project, I would recommend relatively simple > moves. You can run into issues with full 360 rotations, etc. > > > > Lastly, the 3D camera solver module found in mocha AE v3 & mocha Pro v3 > was designed as an alternative to feature based 3D trackers and excels on > out of focus or blurred footage. It does not "replace" Syntheyes or PFtrack > for feature depth, but may be an easier to learn workflow for newer users. > > > > There is a 15 day trial to help you test it out and here are some > tutorials: > http://www.imagineersystems.com/videos?tagFilter=3D+Camera+Solve+Module&sortBy=Newest > > > > Best, > > Ross > > > > On 25 February 2014 09:38, Robert Kjettrup wrote: > > My experience with the built in 3d tracker in AE has been very mixed. > > Using it on some hand held footage just to test it out it has worked ok > good. But each time i wanted to use it on real projects it has failed to > give me acceptable results, and have gone back to Syntheyes, that tracks > way faster and more accurate, and the camera generated is much closer to > the real camera move. > > So my advice would be to try the built in first, but do have a backup plan > to either purchase another 3dtracker (maybe the multi versatile Mocha Pro > with the camera tracker would be better than standard AE even?) and learn > the basics of that or hire a guy/girl with access to one to do the track > for you. > > Robert > > Helle people, > > I will start a exciting motion tracking assignment in a week. > > The footage will be shot by a Drone. We will film a large open field where > there eventually be 3D buildings. > > So some motion tracking and some 3D work. > > Would the 3D camera tracker inside of AE be sufficient or should I try an > other one? > > And do I need tracker markers on the field? > > I am new at this and every tip is very welcome. > > Cheers, > Anthony > > > > > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to > > > > > > -- > > Ross Shain > Chief Marketing Officer > Imagineer Systems - developers of* mocha* planar tracking and visual > effects tools. > > www.imagineersystems.com > Phone: +1.646.298.6458 | Fax: 646.808.0831 | Email: > rosss@imagineersystems.com > > Find us online: > Facebook | Twitter| > YouTube | Vimeo > > This message, and any attachments, is intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential > or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. 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I forgot to mention lens distortion. If you are new to thi= s, keep in mind that you will need to match the distortion when you drop in= your 3D. There are various methods for this out there and most 3D tracking= apps have this kind of feature. 

After Effects does have optics compensation plug-in but has = minimal parameters. If you need a specific tool for this, actually mocha AE= v3 (not the bundled one) includes a Lens Module that calculates the distor= tion and then can be pasted into AE via a free mocha lens plug-in to distor= t or undistort.  Another video link: http://www.imagineersystems.com/videos/mocha-lens-plug-in-fo= r-after-effects-part-1/view




On 25 February 2014 11:48, John Morgan <John.Mor= gan@slcc.edu> wrote:

h= ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3aNsji0wHPE&feature=3Dyoutu.be<= /u>

 

Stabilized by onboard Zen= muse gimbal and default Warp Stabilizer settings.  Shot on cloudy day&= hellip;was just a test shot. Exported a low quality. My first with the new gimbal.   Seem good enough for tracking? GoPro Hero 3+.

 

John=

 

From: After = Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Ross Shain
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 7:59 AM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] Motion tracking

 

As Chris mentions, drone footage can produce motion = blur (or undesirable camera motion). First you will probably want to stabil= ize/smooth your footage. 

Most likely markers are not needed for aerial footag= e and most of the 3D trackers will be able to handle basic moves. <= /u>

 

Since this is your first 3D project, I would recomme= nd relatively simple moves. You can run into issues with full 360 rotations= , etc. 

 

Lastly, the 3D camera solver module found in mocha A= E v3 & mocha Pro v3 was designed as an alternative to feature based 3D = trackers and excels on out of focus or blurred footage. It does not "r= eplace" Syntheyes or PFtrack for feature depth, but may be an easier to learn workflow for newer users. 

 

There is a 15 day trial to help you test it out and = here are some tutorials: http://www.imagineersystems.com/videos?tagFilter=3D3D+Camera+Solve+Module&a= mp;sortBy=3DNewest

 

Best,

Ross

 <= /p>

On 25 February 2014 09:38, Robert Kjettrup <robert@stvmayday.dk= > wrote:

My experience with the built in 3d tracker in AE has been very mixed.&nb= sp;

Using it on some hand held footage just to test it out it has worked ok = good. But each time i wanted to use it on real projects it has failed to gi= ve me acceptable results, and have gone back to Syntheyes, that tracks way = faster and more accurate, and the camera generated is much closer to the real camera move.

So my advice would be to try the built in first, but do have a backup pl= an to either purchase another 3dtracker (maybe the multi versatile Mocha Pr= o with the camera tracker would be better than standard AE even?) and learn= the basics of that or hire a guy/girl with access to one to do the track for you.

Robert

Helle people,

I will start a exciting motion tracking assignment in a week.

The footage will be shot by a Drone. We will film a large open field where<= br> there eventually be 3D buildings.

So some motion tracking and some 3D work.

Would the 3D camera tracker inside of AE be sufficient or should I try an o= ther one?

And do I need tracker markers on the field?

I am new at this and every tip is very welcome.

Cheers,
Anthony




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www.imagineer= systems.com
Phone: +1.646.298.6458 | Fax: 646.808.0831 | Email: rosss@imagineersystems.com

Find us online:
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