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(torno@sydefxink.com@70.197.71.60) by 0 with ESMTPA; 25 Feb 2014 21:48:58 -0000 From: David Torno Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8291AE49-8D47-4073-87F7-C809DC149821 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: [AE] Motion tracking Message-Id: <4EB134E8-9966-461D-96C8-CDE44C891B51@sydefxink.com> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 13:48:57 -0800 References: In-Reply-To: To: After Effects Mail List X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (11B651) --Apple-Mail-8291AE49-8D47-4073-87F7-C809DC149821 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes lens distortion is another hurdle. Haven't tried AE's 3D solves and how t= hey handle that. I use Syntheyes, and if you have enough track points spread= about it can easily solve for the distortion. The Optics Compensation plugi= n can do wonders as mentioned. It does have a limit point though. David Torno Technical Director http://www.ghosttownmedia.com O: 213.739.2290 C: 818.391.6060 -------------------- http://aeioweyou.blogspot.com "The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh" -Charles Field > On Feb 25, 2014, at 9:09 AM, Ross Shain wrote= : >=20 > I forgot to mention lens distortion. If you are new to this, keep in mind t= hat you will need to match the distortion when you drop in your 3D. There ar= e various methods for this out there and most 3D tracking apps have this kin= d of feature.=20 >=20 > After Effects does have optics compensation plug-in but has minimal parame= ters. If you need a specific tool for this, actually mocha AE v3 (not the bu= ndled one) includes a Lens Module that calculates the distortion and then ca= n be pasted into AE via a free mocha lens plug-in to distort or undistort. A= nother video link: http://www.imagineersystems.com/videos/mocha-lens-plug-in= -for-after-effects-part-1/view >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On 25 February 2014 11:48, John Morgan wrote: >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3aNsji0wHPE&feature=3Dyoutu.be >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Stabilized by onboard Zenmuse gimbal and default Warp Stabilizer settings= . Shot on cloudy day=E2=80=A6was just a test shot. Exported a low quality. M= y first with the new gimbal. Seem good enough for tracking? GoPro Hero 3+.= >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> John >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf O= f Ross Shain >> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 7:59 AM >> To: After Effects Mail List >> Subject: Re: [AE] Motion tracking >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> As Chris mentions, drone footage can produce motion blur (or undesirable c= amera motion). First you will probably want to stabilize/smooth your footage= .=20 >>=20 >> Most likely markers are not needed for aerial footage and most of the 3D t= rackers will be able to handle basic moves.=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Since this is your first 3D project, I would recommend relatively simple m= oves. You can run into issues with full 360 rotations, etc.=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Lastly, the 3D camera solver module found in mocha AE v3 & mocha Pro v3 w= as designed as an alternative to feature based 3D trackers and excels on out= of focus or blurred footage. It does not "replace" Syntheyes or PFtrack for= feature depth, but may be an easier to learn workflow for newer users.=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> There is a 15 day trial to help you test it out and here are some tutoria= ls: http://www.imagineersystems.com/videos?tagFilter=3D3D+Camera+Solve+Modul= e&sortBy=3DNewest >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Best, >>=20 >> Ross >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> On 25 February 2014 09:38, Robert Kjettrup wrote: >>=20 >> My experience with the built in 3d tracker in AE has been very mixed.=20 >>=20 >> Using it on some hand held footage just to test it out it has worked ok g= ood. But each time i wanted to use it on real projects it has failed to give= me acceptable results, and have gone back to Syntheyes, that tracks way fas= ter and more accurate, and the camera generated is much closer to the real c= amera move. >>=20 >> So my advice would be to try the built in first, but do have a backup pla= n to either purchase another 3dtracker (maybe the multi versatile Mocha Pro w= ith the camera tracker would be better than standard AE even?) and learn the= basics of that or hire a guy/girl with access to one to do the track for yo= u. >>=20 >> Robert >>=20 >> Helle people, >>=20 >> I will start a exciting motion tracking assignment in a week. >>=20 >> The footage will be shot by a Drone. We will film a large open field wher= e >> there eventually be 3D buildings. >>=20 >> So some motion tracking and some 3D work. >>=20 >> Would the 3D camera tracker inside of AE be sufficient or should I try an= other one? >>=20 >> And do I need tracker markers on the field? >>=20 >> I am new at this and every tip is very welcome. >>=20 >> Cheers, >> Anthony >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> +---End of message---+ >> To unsubscribe send any message to >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> -- >>=20 >> Ross Shain >> Chief Marketing Officer >> Imagineer Systems - developers of mocha planar tracking and visual effect= s tools. >>=20 >> www.imagineersystems.com=20 >> Phone: +1.646.298.6458 | Fax: 646.808.0831 | Email: rosss@imagineersystem= s.com >>=20 >> Find us online: >> Facebook | Twitter | YouTube | Vimeo >>=20 >>=20 >> This message, and any attachments, is intended only for the use of the ad= dressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential or o= therwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. 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Yes lens distortion is another hurdle.= Haven't tried AE's 3D solves and how they handle that. I use Syntheyes, and= if you have enough track points spread about it can easily solve for the di= stortion. The Optics Compensation plugin can do wonders as mentioned. It doe= s have a limit point though.


David Torno
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C: 818.391.6060
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"The most useless day= is that in which we do not laugh"
-Charles Field

On Feb 25, 2014, at 9:09 A= M, Ross Shain <rosss@imagin= eersystems.com> wrote:

I forgot to mention lens distortion. If you are new to this, k= eep in mind that you will need to match the distortion when you drop in your= 3D. There are various methods for this out there and most 3D tracking apps h= ave this kind of feature. 

After Effects does have optics compensation plug-in but has m= inimal parameters. If you need a specific tool for this, actually mocha AE v= 3 (not the bundled one) includes a Lens Module that calculates the distortio= n and then can be pasted into AE via a free mocha lens plug-in to distort or= undistort.  Another video link: http://www.imagineersystems.com/videos/mocha-lens-plug-in-for-after= -effects-part-1/view




On 25 February 2014 11:48, John Morgan <John.Morgan@= slcc.edu> wrote:

http= s://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3aNsji0wHPE&feature=3Dyoutu.be<= u>

 =

Stabilized by onboard Zenmu= se gimbal and default Warp Stabilizer settings.  Shot on cloudy day=E2=80= =A6was just a test shot. Exported a low quality. My first with the new gimbal.   Seem good enough for tracking? GoPro Hero 3+.

 =

John

 =

From: After Eff= ects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Ross Shain
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 7:59 AM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] Motion tracking

 

As Chris mentions, drone footage can produce motion b= lur (or undesirable camera motion). First you will probably want to stabiliz= e/smooth your footage. 

Most likely markers are not needed for aerial footage= and most of the 3D trackers will be able to handle basic moves. 

 

Since this is your first 3D project, I would recommen= d relatively simple moves. You can run into issues with full 360 rotations, e= tc. 

 

Lastly, the 3D camera solver module found in mocha AE= v3 & mocha Pro v3 was designed as an alternative to feature based 3D tr= ackers and excels on out of focus or blurred footage. It does not "replace" S= yntheyes or PFtrack for feature depth, but may be an easier to learn workflow for newer users. =

 

There is a 15 day trial to help you test it out and h= ere are some tutorials: http://www.imagineersystems.com/videos?tagFilter=3D3D+Camera+Solve+Module&am= p;sortBy=3DNewest

 

Best,

Ross

 

On 25 February 2014 09:38, Robert Kjettrup <robert@stvmayday.dk&g= t; wrote:

My experience with the built in 3d tracker in AE has been very mixed.&nbs= p;

Using it on some hand held footage just to test it out it has worked ok g= ood. But each time i wanted to use it on real projects it has failed to give= me acceptable results, and have gone back to Syntheyes, that tracks way fas= ter and more accurate, and the camera generated is much closer to the real camera move.

So my advice would be to try the built in first, but do have a backup pla= n to either purchase another 3dtracker (maybe the multi versatile Mocha Pro w= ith the camera tracker would be better than standard AE even?) and learn the= basics of that or hire a guy/girl with access to one to do the track for you.

Robert

Helle people,

I will start a exciting motion tracking assignment in a week.

The footage will be shot by a Drone. We will film a large open field where there eventually be 3D buildings.

So some motion tracking and some 3D work.

Would the 3D camera tracker inside of AE be sufficient or should I try an ot= her one?

And do I need tracker markers on the field?

I am new at this and every tip is very welcome.

Cheers,
Anthony




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