Return-Path: Received: from mail-ie0-f170.google.com ([209.85.223.170] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5390428 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:44:56 +0100 Received: by mail-ie0-f170.google.com with SMTP id y20so805501ier.15 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 07:45:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=txCetlXskJ8aiLkhH1Y7XcA9mE6uiOo1axLvlYvHk2I=; b=dI985Kx11qLZTNyvR3Pi3o1sDq1mPX0Xf03fLx93eVL5wpN4Z1ZoNjhA0uveFsm1hT PoAwXms7dqUl39d/bgG+kmknv7qfqBFmXSVpJ1hBHXB3RrzlnZ93tQvcijAROUdiqOMS RSn72t3I6eb5UKt6X4h6k6uSvOTH8e7+HLtwl4/GwjiY3ny8crBdbzJD7IWSOmI9mSwB pVx2eB57TDmVD+UZh906gONHo9NbG24gNIcUuR+d909N51gQhiKpxPD3BTy8olsVxLnU 6eXr48XZNmh53TyE0ZzsBZaqVj8Nw/tvO7TUDQRBZz9TNqwWIKSM7X1JFCOs94QWugG9 rk8g== X-Received: by 10.50.12.9 with SMTP id u9mr26643674igb.15.1393429512334; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 07:45:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.122.67 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 07:44:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 10:44:52 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Motion tracking To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0115fa7e1a358a04f3511790 --089e0115fa7e1a358a04f3511790 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John, Wow. Tons of info there. Appreciate all. I'm not quite ready for that big investment but I do have the Hero3 so figured the one I sent DJI Phantom was a good option. It seems very stable to me but appreciate the note on going to 60FPS to reduce further. That shot along the beach looked pretty sharp. Eric On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 9:39 AM, John Morgan wrote: > Eric, > > 7 months ago I got that same Phantom package from B&H. You'll love the GP= S > mode of flying. An R/C hobbyist in my private life, I've flown mostly > aircraft (sailplanes and electrics). As you'll find from flying > helicopters/quadcopter in simulators like RealFlight, they are a handful!= ! > Orientation is critical and getting mixed up on the controls will put you > on the ground in pieces super fast. GPS mode adds a LOT of stability to > your flying and makes it so you can't get disoriented and slip the Phanto= m > into the ground. Home Lock/Course Lock modes offer their advantages too. > > > > OK, now for the disappointing stuff. You will not be happy with your > videos (except in absolutely calm air flying) if you attach the GoPro > directly to the Phantom. Every little course correction/attitude adjustme= nt > shows up in your footage. The "jello" that everyone talks about can be > compensated for by shooting at 60fps rather than 24fps. It has a lot to d= o > with automatic shutter speed in certain brightness levels in your shot. > That said, I did get some good shots doing vertical lift-offs (resembling= a > camera boom lift.) > > > > I highly recommend having the Zenmuse H3-2D gimbal package added to your > Quadcopter!! The stability is a quantum leap better! I live in the Salt > Lake City area and am lucky to have a vendor, TV Specialists, who has > tooled up and gotten in to selling/supporting aerial videography. I boug= ht > the original Phantom package (plus and extra battery and prop guards) fro= m > B&H for $572, then just recently had TV Specialist retrofit my Phantom to > add the Zenmuse gimbal package with FPV. They have a solution that only > cost me (my employer) just under $1300 for gimbal, taking the quad apart = to > add the additional circuit boards needed to run the gimbal, RC Logger FPV > components (5.8GHZ video transmitter, receiver and monitor). The also add= a > rear slider switch that allows you to tilt the camera from pointing > straight down, to level (90=B0 movement.) So I'm telling you, you can upg= rade > to Zenmuse gimbal and FPV for $1300 or less! Right now, with DJI Phantom, > GoPRo Hero 3+ (you need the Hero 3+ because the port that powers the > removable viewfinder plugs into the gimbal and powers your FPV components= ), > Zenmuse h3-2d gimbal and labor to install it, I'm into my quad only $2300= ! > That's a pretty cheap flying video camera! Well, obviously your footage i= s > only as good as GoPro can provide, but it's a bunch of more money to move > up to the next level of octocopter and DSLR cameras.....like $8000 and u= p. > > > > The Zenmuse gimbal package include rubber mounts for the gimbal base. > Balancing the props or changing to carbon fiber props is just not necessa= ry. > > > > One last caveat: the Zenmuse gimbal corrects for pitch and roll (hence > the "2D"), but not for yaw. You still have to fly the craft very carefull= y > to compensate for yaw (left/right) movements. > > > > There is a new Phantom 2 that's hitting the markets now. Supposedly it's > all prewired for Zenmuse gimbal. TV Specialists have not tested it yet. > Seems there's a few challenges with it. My vendor felt that retrofitting > the original Phantom is still the better way to go rather than getting th= e > DJI Phantom 2. > > > > Hope this offers you some encouragement as you get into aerial > videography. Happy to answer any other questions, or connect you to my > local vendor. There's probably other vendors popping up all over the plac= e > that can do the same.....but maybe not for the same price. Send me your > private email and I'll embed a pic of my system with Zenmuse onboard. > > > > http://www.tvspecialists.com/ > > Dan Austin (dana@tvspec.com) > > > > John > > > > > > > > *From:* After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] > *On Behalf Of *Mr. Eric D. Kirk > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 26, 2014 6:07 AM > *To:* After Effects Mail List > *Subject:* Re: [AE] Motion tracking > > > > Anthony, > > > > A pleasure. Also, since I'm also in the market for a drone, this one > seems a bit better than the Parrot one in the links from yesterday. I al= so > noticed there are techniques for balancing the propellers that may actual= ly > eliminate wobble atogether. > > > > Check out this drone below. I think I am getting this one. There are a > couple levels even higher (like $1100+). > > http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00F9Q76WA?psc=3D1 > > And then for balancing - if you need to go that far, there is this: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DOXuNnYQO2s4 > > > > Eric > > > > > > This message, and any attachments, is intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential > or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. 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John,
 
Wow.  Tons of i= nfo there.  Appreciate all.  I'm not quite ready for that big= investment but I do have the Hero3 so figured the one I sent DJI Phantom w= as a good option.  It seems very stable to me but appreciate the note = on going to 60FPS to reduce further.  That shot along the beach looked= pretty sharp.
 
Eric


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 9:39 AM, John Morgan <= John.Morgan@slcc.edu> wrote:

Eric,<= /span>

7 months ago I got t= hat same Phantom package from B&H. You’ll love the GPS mode of fl= ying. An R/C hobbyist in my private life, I’ve flown mostly aircraft = (sailplanes and electrics). As you’ll find from flying helicopters/quadcopter in= simulators like RealFlight, they are a handful!! Orientation is critical a= nd getting mixed up on the controls will put you on the ground in pieces su= per fast.  GPS mode adds a LOT of stability to your flying and makes it so you can’t get disoriented and slip th= e Phantom into the ground. Home Lock/Course Lock modes offer their advantag= es too.

 =

OK, now for the disa= ppointing stuff. You will not be happy with your videos (except in absolute= ly calm air flying) if you attach the GoPro directly to the Phantom. Every little course correction/attitude adjustment shows up in your footag= e. The “jello” that everyone talks about can be compensated for= by shooting at 60fps rather than 24fps. It has a lot to do with automatic = shutter speed in certain brightness levels in your shot. That said, I did get some good shots doing vertical lift-offs (= resembling a camera boom lift.)

 =

I highly recommend h= aving the Zenmuse H3-2D gimbal package added to your Quadcopter!! The stabi= lity is a quantum leap better! I live in the Salt Lake City area and am lucky to have a vendor, TV Specialists, who has tooled up and gotte= n in to selling/supporting aerial videography.  I bought the original = Phantom package (plus and extra battery and prop guards) from B&H for $= 572, then just recently had TV Specialist retrofit my Phantom to add the Zenmuse gimbal package with FPV. They have = a solution that only cost me (my employer) just under $1300 for gimbal, tak= ing the quad apart to add the additional circuit boards needed to run the g= imbal, RC Logger FPV components (5.8GHZ video transmitter, receiver and monitor). The also add a rear slid= er switch that allows you to tilt the camera from pointing straight down, t= o level (90=B0 movement.) So I’m telling you, you can upgrade to Zenm= use gimbal and FPV for $1300 or less! Right now, with DJI Phantom, GoPRo Hero 3+ (you need the Hero 3+ because the por= t that powers the removable viewfinder plugs into the gimbal and powers you= r FPV components), Zenmuse h3-2d gimbal and labor to install it, I’m = into my quad only $2300! That’s a pretty cheap flying video camera! Well, obviously your footage is only as good as= GoPro can provide, but it’s a bunch of more money to move up to = ; the next level of octocopter and DSLR cameras…..like $8000 and up.=

 =

The Zenmuse gimbal p= ackage include rubber mounts for the gimbal base. Balancing the props or ch= anging to carbon fiber props is just not necessary.

 =

One last caveat:&nbs= p; the Zenmuse gimbal corrects for pitch and roll (hence the “2D&rdqu= o;), but not for yaw. You still have to fly the craft very carefully to com= pensate for yaw (left/right) movements.

 =

There is a new Phant= om 2 that’s hitting the markets now. Supposedly it’s all prewir= ed for Zenmuse gimbal. TV Specialists have not tested it yet. Seems there&r= squo;s a few challenges with it. My vendor felt that retrofitting the original Ph= antom is still the better way to go rather than getting the DJI Phantom 2.<= u>

 =

Hope this offers you= some encouragement as you get into aerial videography. Happy to answer any= other questions, or connect you to my local vendor. There’s probably other vendors popping up all over the place that can do the same&= hellip;..but maybe not for the same price. Send me your private email = and I’ll embed a pic of my system with Zenmuse onboard.=

 =

http://www.tvspecialists.com/

Dan Austin (dana@tvspec.com)

 =

John

 =

 =

 =

From: After Effe= cts Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Mr. Eric D. Kirk
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 6:07 AM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] Motion tracking

 

Anthony,

 

A pleasure.  Also, since I'm also in the ma= rket for a drone, this one seems a bit better than the Parrot one in the li= nks from yesterday.  I also noticed there are techniques for balancing= the propellers that may actually eliminate wobble atogether. 

 

Check out this drone below.  I think I am getti= ng this one. There are a couple levels even higher (like $1100+).

http://= www.amazon.com/dp/B00F9Q76WA?psc=3D1

And then for balancing - if you need to go tha= t far, there is this:

 

 

Eric

 

 


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