Return-Path: Received: from mail-we0-f177.google.com ([74.125.82.177] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5396672 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 03 Mar 2014 23:15:34 +0100 Received: by mail-we0-f177.google.com with SMTP id u57so2080779wes.8 for ; Mon, 03 Mar 2014 14:16:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=aRHhrz85hK3e9abGfxZh4IaGr493lPP/+RQVyxqwtVc=; b=Qx6B05F6DGbKMz2eljZFaELlMtsoMzD5wvNPlHDLC9tGxkckXydS0uNvicVKxpw2ln dJHTsH0LMU6MCR7geEI6oY/Lf47QyYM7SOgj2nHmUDHx/99mBGKdPI6601sBBMZvKdVR fb/+fImoyLUFM7TVCD97ey4KcpBKo9iTFSfateT6SMjcT3ZbGahfUR1CEn923SzPUOcB X1WQNTabrf/MugXwc1jV3rwwV/lbKFWqJksvpnkjy6lRPP0XtOCrUn/7qhnHpZMky3iU JkecKvf9zIZvZbqBI3yaMc723T/D3khQz5v6WLJ/tXAW1vyImvOjbC0ZQAKXMaaM/Q+F rbLg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.95.195 with SMTP id dm3mr21784738wjb.17.1393884962520; Mon, 03 Mar 2014 14:16:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.240.7 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 14:16:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 00:16:02 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] AI > PSD > AE workflow recommendations? From: Roei Tzoref To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7beb9b800c83a904f3bb2237 --047d7beb9b800c83a904f3bb2237 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I see. looks like you managed it well. thanks for taking the time to share it visually, I appreciate it. I will also look into experimenting with CC Composite - behind feature technique you mentioned. usually I use CC Composite for making blend mode version of my composite for enriching the color and atmosphere and not beyond that. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:05 AM, rendernyc wrote: > https://db.tt/8QVmkoIw > > this would be a precomp within the full piece > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Roei Tzoref wrote: > >> couldn't possibly make an image in my head from all you just wrote >> but sounds like you know your stuff. >> all the best. >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:45 PM, rendernyc wrote: >> >>> just a bunch of diferent shaped dots and ovalish shapes that make up >>> part of a globe that is part of a larger logo. >>> >>> wanted to have them each build on in one color with some inertia bounce >>> and then scale back down down leaving the the 100% scale dot in the logo >>> color behind. >>> >>> fill color with the non logo color >>> take a layer and use transform effect with 0->100->0 scale with an >>> inertia expression >>> set anchor and position to width/2 >>> CC composite set to behind to leave the logo color at proper size and >>> position behind. >>> opacity is 0 hold kf then 100 at scale 100 >>> >>> copy effects category and paste to all >>> >>> select all and use rift to randmize start point and you have a nice >>> effect in a few minutes of work >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Roei Tzoref wrote: >>> >>>> thanks for sharing >>>> not to imply you should get rid of the layers :) >>>> just that you should merge them if you don't need them separately, >>>> which relates to scott's problem. >>>> >>>> I'm intrigued about the logo with the 600 layers... >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Rendernyc wrote: >>>> >>>>> It's a logo. So it needs to be precise. >>>>> >>>>> Trust me if I didn't I wouldn't :) >>>>> >>>>> I split it into 3 files to get it to import >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 3, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Roei Tzoref wrote: >>>>> >>>>> do you really need all those 600 layers in your composition? >>>>> if you don't need to move them separately then the answer is no... >>>>> even if you do I could only imagine its some sort of particles or >>>>> fractals that you could recreate in some other way in AE >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 7:47 PM, rendernyc wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> and here i am reading this thread and have to say i havent really >>>>>> come across these issues. >>>>>> >>>>>> of course now i reading my email because i am waiting for AE to >>>>>> import a 600 layer AI file and it seems to have choked... ugh >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 2:52 PM, scott.aelist wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> If it's helpful i've posted a little diagram of my process here: >>>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/resFDjm.jpg >>>>>>> Teddy yes I save all my SVOs into one AI file... still, it is very >>>>>>> time-consuming to have to handle each of these layers individually. I have >>>>>>> move them to a new layer, group them (if the object isn't grouped), scale >>>>>>> them up, name the layer... etc etc. I thought I might be able to open the >>>>>>> PS in AE but it treats all the SVOs as placed raster objects, not as vector >>>>>>> objects. >>>>>>> Roei thanks for your comment. If you have any tips i'd love to hear. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I feel like there is no quick solution to this and i simply need to >>>>>>> file a feature request asking to be able to convert Smart vector objects to >>>>>>> shape layers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Roei Tzoref wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> hey scott. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would like to help you solve your workflow problem. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I work on a news channel where we have to deliver very fast and >>>>>>>> rely on fast psd/ai->ae workflow >>>>>>>> making the shift from psd vectors to ae is kind of my expertise. >>>>>>>> I also teach students where troubleshooting psd/ai->ae is my main >>>>>>>> teaching focus. >>>>>>>> but enough about me, please contact if you still need some help and >>>>>>>> me I am pretty sure I can help you sort some of this mess out. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 1:31 AM, scott.aelist < >>>>>>>> scott.aelist@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm frustrated with the amount of redundant file prep i'm having >>>>>>>>> to do on a current job and I'm wondering if there's a faster way. I'm >>>>>>>>> tasked with animating some little vignettes for a travel show. >>>>>>>>> A friend is illustrating the shot in photoshop and then i have to >>>>>>>>> animate from the PSD. Ideally I would just import the PSD into AE and go, >>>>>>>>> but I can't. A lot of the assets are vector objects so I end up opening >>>>>>>>> EVERY SINGLE smart vector object in AI and then I have to save all these >>>>>>>>> layers out as AI files. I thought maybe I could import the PSD into AE and >>>>>>>>> convert it to shape layers or an AI file there, but no dice. I should also >>>>>>>>> mention that I have to scale up all these vector assets 200% because >>>>>>>>> sometimes I need layers larger than they appear in the PSD, and if I use >>>>>>>>> continually rasterize it often screws up any effects or puppeting I have on >>>>>>>>> my layer. This takes an enormous amount of time and my client doesn't >>>>>>>>> understand why I can't turn these things out in a day or two, and I have to >>>>>>>>> make these dubious-sounding excuses of how I have to 'prepare' all these >>>>>>>>> assets for animation. Is there a faster way? And am I the only one who >>>>>>>>> scales up all their AI assets before bringing into AE? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> danny princz >>>>>> >>>>>> vimeo.com/rendernyc >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> danny princz >>> >>> vimeo.com/rendernyc >>> >> >> > > > -- > danny princz > > vimeo.com/rendernyc > --047d7beb9b800c83a904f3bb2237 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I see. looks like you managed it well.=A0
thanks for t= aking the time to share it visually, I appreciate it.

<= div>I will also look into experimenting with CC Composite - behind feature = technique you mentioned.
usually I use CC Composite for making blend mode version of my composi= te for enriching the color and atmosphere and not beyond that.
<= div class=3D"gmail_extra">

On Tue, Mar 4,= 2014 at 12:05 AM, rendernyc <rendernyc@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
https://db.tt/8QVmkoIw

thi= s would be a precomp within the full piece


On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Roei Tzoref <yooofi@gmail.= com> wrote:
couldn't possibly make = an image in my head from all you just wrote
but sounds like you know yo= ur stuff.=A0
all the best.


=
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:45 PM, rendernyc <r= endernyc@gmail.com> wrote:
just a bunch of diferent sh= aped dots and ovalish shapes that make up part of a globe that is part of a= larger logo.

wanted to have them each build on in one color with some ine= rtia bounce and then scale back down down leaving the the 100% scale dot in= the logo color behind.

fill color with the non logo color
take a lay= er and use transform effect with 0->100->0 scale with an inertia expr= ession
set anchor and position to width/2
CC composite = set to behind to leave the logo color at proper size and position behind.= =A0
opacity is 0 hold kf then 100 at scale 100

co= py effects category and paste to all

select all an= d use rift to randmize start point and you have a nice effect in a few minu= tes of work


On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Roei Tzoref <yooofi@gmail.com> wrote:
thanks for sharing
not to imply you should get rid of = the layers :)
just that you should merge them if you don't need the= m separately, which relates to scott's problem.

I'm intrigued about the logo with the 600 layers...=A0
=


On = Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Rendernyc <rendernyc@gmail.com> wrote:
It's a logo. So i= t needs to be precise.=A0

Trust me if I didn't= I wouldn't :)

I split it into 3 files to get it to import=A0

On Mar 3, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Roei Tzoref <yooofi@gmail.com> wrote:

do you really nee= d all those 600 layers in your composition?
if you don't need to mo= ve them separately then the answer is no...=A0
even if you do I c= ould only imagine its some sort of particles or fractals that you could rec= reate in some other way in AE=A0


On Mon,= Mar 3, 2014 at 7:47 PM, rendernyc <rendernyc@gmail.com> w= rote:
and here i am reading this = thread and have to say i havent really come across these issues.

of course now i reading my email =A0because i am waiting for AE to imp= ort a 600 layer AI file and it seems to have choked... ugh



On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 2:52 PM, scott.aelist <scott.aelist@gmail.com> wrote:


On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Roei Tzoref <yooofi@gmai= l.com> wrote:
hey scott.

I would like to help you solve your workflow problem.

I work on a news channel where we have to deliver very fast and rely o= n fast psd/ai->ae workflow
making the shift from psd vectors to ae is kind of my expertise.
=
I also teach students where troubleshooting psd/ai->ae is my main t= eaching focus.
but enough about me, please contact if you still n= eed some help and me I am pretty sure I can help you sort some of this mess= out.



On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 1:31 AM, scott.aelist <scott= .aelist@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm frustrated wit= h the amount of redundant file prep i'm having to do on a current job a= nd I'm wondering if there's a faster way. I'm tasked with anima= ting some little vignettes for a travel show.
A friend is illustrating the shot in photoshop and then i have to ani= mate from the PSD. Ideally I would just import the PSD into AE and go, but = I can't. A lot of the assets are vector objects so I end up opening EVE= RY SINGLE smart vector object in AI and then I have to save all these layer= s out as AI files. I thought maybe I could import the PSD into AE and conve= rt it to shape layers or an AI file there, but no dice. I should also menti= on that I have to scale up all these vector assets 200% because sometimes I= need layers larger than they appear in the PSD, and if I use continually r= asterize it often screws up any effects or puppeting I have on my layer. Th= is takes an enormous amount of time and my client doesn't understand wh= y I can't turn these things out in a day or two, and I have to make the= se dubious-sounding excuses of how I have to 'prepare' all these as= sets for animation. Is there a faster way? And am I the only one who scales= up all their AI assets before bringing into AE?





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danny princz

vimeo.com/rendernyc<= /a>





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vimeo.com/rend= ernyc




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