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From: rendernyc To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0153852e47e9c504f3bb342b --089e0153852e47e9c504f3bb342b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 CC composite is great for many things... i tend to reach for it mostly for its stencil alpha blend modes so that you can apply effects to a layer and then crop it back to its original borders On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Roei Tzoref wrote: > I see. looks like you managed it well. > thanks for taking the time to share it visually, I appreciate it. > > I will also look into experimenting with CC Composite - behind feature > technique you mentioned. > usually I use CC Composite for making blend mode version of my composite > for enriching the color and atmosphere and not beyond that. > > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:05 AM, rendernyc wrote: > >> https://db.tt/8QVmkoIw >> >> this would be a precomp within the full piece >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Roei Tzoref wrote: >> >>> couldn't possibly make an image in my head from all you just wrote >>> but sounds like you know your stuff. >>> all the best. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:45 PM, rendernyc wrote: >>> >>>> just a bunch of diferent shaped dots and ovalish shapes that make up >>>> part of a globe that is part of a larger logo. >>>> >>>> wanted to have them each build on in one color with some inertia bounce >>>> and then scale back down down leaving the the 100% scale dot in the logo >>>> color behind. >>>> >>>> fill color with the non logo color >>>> take a layer and use transform effect with 0->100->0 scale with an >>>> inertia expression >>>> set anchor and position to width/2 >>>> CC composite set to behind to leave the logo color at proper size and >>>> position behind. >>>> opacity is 0 hold kf then 100 at scale 100 >>>> >>>> copy effects category and paste to all >>>> >>>> select all and use rift to randmize start point and you have a nice >>>> effect in a few minutes of work >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Roei Tzoref wrote: >>>> >>>>> thanks for sharing >>>>> not to imply you should get rid of the layers :) >>>>> just that you should merge them if you don't need them separately, >>>>> which relates to scott's problem. >>>>> >>>>> I'm intrigued about the logo with the 600 layers... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Rendernyc wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It's a logo. So it needs to be precise. >>>>>> >>>>>> Trust me if I didn't I wouldn't :) >>>>>> >>>>>> I split it into 3 files to get it to import >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 3, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Roei Tzoref wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> do you really need all those 600 layers in your composition? >>>>>> if you don't need to move them separately then the answer is no... >>>>>> even if you do I could only imagine its some sort of particles or >>>>>> fractals that you could recreate in some other way in AE >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 7:47 PM, rendernyc wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> and here i am reading this thread and have to say i havent really >>>>>>> come across these issues. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> of course now i reading my email because i am waiting for AE to >>>>>>> import a 600 layer AI file and it seems to have choked... ugh >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 2:52 PM, scott.aelist >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If it's helpful i've posted a little diagram of my process here: >>>>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/resFDjm.jpg >>>>>>>> Teddy yes I save all my SVOs into one AI file... still, it is very >>>>>>>> time-consuming to have to handle each of these layers individually. I have >>>>>>>> move them to a new layer, group them (if the object isn't grouped), scale >>>>>>>> them up, name the layer... etc etc. I thought I might be able to open the >>>>>>>> PS in AE but it treats all the SVOs as placed raster objects, not as vector >>>>>>>> objects. >>>>>>>> Roei thanks for your comment. If you have any tips i'd love to >>>>>>>> hear. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I feel like there is no quick solution to this and i simply need to >>>>>>>> file a feature request asking to be able to convert Smart vector objects to >>>>>>>> shape layers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Roei Tzoref wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> hey scott. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would like to help you solve your workflow problem. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I work on a news channel where we have to deliver very fast and >>>>>>>>> rely on fast psd/ai->ae workflow >>>>>>>>> making the shift from psd vectors to ae is kind of my expertise. >>>>>>>>> I also teach students where troubleshooting psd/ai->ae is my main >>>>>>>>> teaching focus. >>>>>>>>> but enough about me, please contact if you still need some help >>>>>>>>> and me I am pretty sure I can help you sort some of this mess out. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 1:31 AM, scott.aelist < >>>>>>>>> scott.aelist@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm frustrated with the amount of redundant file prep i'm having >>>>>>>>>> to do on a current job and I'm wondering if there's a faster way. I'm >>>>>>>>>> tasked with animating some little vignettes for a travel show. >>>>>>>>>> A friend is illustrating the shot in photoshop and then i have to >>>>>>>>>> animate from the PSD. Ideally I would just import the PSD into AE and go, >>>>>>>>>> but I can't. A lot of the assets are vector objects so I end up opening >>>>>>>>>> EVERY SINGLE smart vector object in AI and then I have to save all these >>>>>>>>>> layers out as AI files. I thought maybe I could import the PSD into AE and >>>>>>>>>> convert it to shape layers or an AI file there, but no dice. I should also >>>>>>>>>> mention that I have to scale up all these vector assets 200% because >>>>>>>>>> sometimes I need layers larger than they appear in the PSD, and if I use >>>>>>>>>> continually rasterize it often screws up any effects or puppeting I have on >>>>>>>>>> my layer. This takes an enormous amount of time and my client doesn't >>>>>>>>>> understand why I can't turn these things out in a day or two, and I have to >>>>>>>>>> make these dubious-sounding excuses of how I have to 'prepare' all these >>>>>>>>>> assets for animation. Is there a faster way? And am I the only one who >>>>>>>>>> scales up all their AI assets before bringing into AE? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> danny princz >>>>>>> >>>>>>> vimeo.com/rendernyc >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> danny princz >>>> >>>> vimeo.com/rendernyc >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> danny princz >> >> vimeo.com/rendernyc >> > > -- danny princz vimeo.com/rendernyc --089e0153852e47e9c504f3bb342b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
CC composite is great for many things... i tend to reach f= or it mostly for its stencil alpha blend modes so that you can apply effect= s to a layer and then crop it back to its original borders


On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Roei Tzo= ref <yooofi@gmail.com> wrote:
I see. looks like you managed it well.=A0
thanks for t= aking the time to share it visually, I appreciate it.

<= div>I will also look into experimenting with CC Composite - behind feature = technique you mentioned.
usually I use CC Composite for making blend mode version of my composi= te for enriching the color and atmosphere and not beyond that.
<= div class=3D"HOEnZb">


<= div class=3D"gmail_quote"> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:05 AM, rendernyc <rendernyc@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
https://db.tt/8QVmkoIw

thi= s would be a precomp within the full piece


On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Roei Tzoref <yooofi@gmail.com> wrote:
couldn't possibly make = an image in my head from all you just wrote
but sounds like you know yo= ur stuff.=A0
all the best.


=
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:45 PM, rendernyc <r= endernyc@gmail.com> wrote:
just a bunch of diferent sh= aped dots and ovalish shapes that make up part of a globe that is part of a= larger logo.

wanted to have them each build on in one color with some ine= rtia bounce and then scale back down down leaving the the 100% scale dot in= the logo color behind.

fill color with the non logo color
take a lay= er and use transform effect with 0->100->0 scale with an inertia expr= ession
set anchor and position to width/2
CC composite = set to behind to leave the logo color at proper size and position behind.= =A0
opacity is 0 hold kf then 100 at scale 100

co= py effects category and paste to all

select all an= d use rift to randmize start point and you have a nice effect in a few minu= tes of work


On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Roei Tzoref <yooofi@gmail.com> wrote:
thanks for sharing
not to imply you should get rid of = the layers :)
just that you should merge them if you don't need the= m separately, which relates to scott's problem.

I'm intrigued about the logo with the 600 layers...=A0
=


On = Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Rendernyc <rendernyc@gmail.com> wrote:
It's a logo. So i= t needs to be precise.=A0

Trust me if I didn't= I wouldn't :)

I split it into 3 files to get it to import=A0

On Mar 3, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Roei Tzoref <yooofi@gmail.com> wrote:

do you really nee= d all those 600 layers in your composition?
if you don't need to mo= ve them separately then the answer is no...=A0
even if you do I c= ould only imagine its some sort of particles or fractals that you could rec= reate in some other way in AE=A0


On Mon,= Mar 3, 2014 at 7:47 PM, rendernyc <rendernyc@gmail.com> w= rote:
and here i am reading this = thread and have to say i havent really come across these issues.

of course now i reading my email =A0because i am waiting for AE to imp= ort a 600 layer AI file and it seems to have choked... ugh



On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 2:52 PM, scott.aelist <scott.aelist@gmail.com> wrote:


On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Roei Tzoref <yooofi@gmai= l.com> wrote:
hey scott.

I would like to help you solve your workflow problem.

I work on a news channel where we have to deliver very fast and rely o= n fast psd/ai->ae workflow
making the shift from psd vectors to ae is kind of my expertise.
=
I also teach students where troubleshooting psd/ai->ae is my main t= eaching focus.
but enough about me, please contact if you still n= eed some help and me I am pretty sure I can help you sort some of this mess= out.



On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 1:31 AM, scott.aelist <scott= .aelist@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm frustrated wit= h the amount of redundant file prep i'm having to do on a current job a= nd I'm wondering if there's a faster way. I'm tasked with anima= ting some little vignettes for a travel show.
A friend is illustrating the shot in photoshop and then i have to ani= mate from the PSD. Ideally I would just import the PSD into AE and go, but = I can't. A lot of the assets are vector objects so I end up opening EVE= RY SINGLE smart vector object in AI and then I have to save all these layer= s out as AI files. I thought maybe I could import the PSD into AE and conve= rt it to shape layers or an AI file there, but no dice. I should also menti= on that I have to scale up all these vector assets 200% because sometimes I= need layers larger than they appear in the PSD, and if I use continually r= asterize it often screws up any effects or puppeting I have on my layer. Th= is takes an enormous amount of time and my client doesn't understand wh= y I can't turn these things out in a day or two, and I have to make the= se dubious-sounding excuses of how I have to 'prepare' all these as= sets for animation. Is there a faster way? And am I the only one who scales= up all their AI assets before bringing into AE?





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danny princz

vimeo.com/rendernyc<= /a>





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danny princz
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vimeo.com/rend= ernyc




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danny princz
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vimeo.com/rend= ernyc




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