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From: Roei Tzoref To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b8737fa652d3404f3bbf4c6 --047d7b8737fa652d3404f3bbf4c6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 could you elaborate on that technique? I didn't quite get the "crop it back to its original borders" if you could, give me a simple set of effects on a layer where I could see the visual practical use for it. thanks On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:21 AM, rendernyc wrote: > CC composite is great for many things... i tend to reach for it mostly for > its stencil alpha blend modes so that you can apply effects to a layer and > then crop it back to its original borders > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Roei Tzoref wrote: > >> I see. looks like you managed it well. >> thanks for taking the time to share it visually, I appreciate it. >> >> I will also look into experimenting with CC Composite - behind feature >> technique you mentioned. >> usually I use CC Composite for making blend mode version of my composite >> for enriching the color and atmosphere and not beyond that. >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:05 AM, rendernyc wrote: >> >>> https://db.tt/8QVmkoIw >>> >>> this would be a precomp within the full piece >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Roei Tzoref wrote: >>> >>>> couldn't possibly make an image in my head from all you just wrote >>>> but sounds like you know your stuff. >>>> all the best. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:45 PM, rendernyc wrote: >>>> >>>>> just a bunch of diferent shaped dots and ovalish shapes that make up >>>>> part of a globe that is part of a larger logo. >>>>> >>>>> wanted to have them each build on in one color with some inertia >>>>> bounce and then scale back down down leaving the the 100% scale dot in the >>>>> logo color behind. >>>>> >>>>> fill color with the non logo color >>>>> take a layer and use transform effect with 0->100->0 scale with an >>>>> inertia expression >>>>> set anchor and position to width/2 >>>>> CC composite set to behind to leave the logo color at proper size and >>>>> position behind. >>>>> opacity is 0 hold kf then 100 at scale 100 >>>>> >>>>> copy effects category and paste to all >>>>> >>>>> select all and use rift to randmize start point and you have a nice >>>>> effect in a few minutes of work >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Roei Tzoref wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> thanks for sharing >>>>>> not to imply you should get rid of the layers :) >>>>>> just that you should merge them if you don't need them separately, >>>>>> which relates to scott's problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm intrigued about the logo with the 600 layers... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Rendernyc wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> It's a logo. So it needs to be precise. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Trust me if I didn't I wouldn't :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I split it into 3 files to get it to import >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Roei Tzoref wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> do you really need all those 600 layers in your composition? >>>>>>> if you don't need to move them separately then the answer is no... >>>>>>> even if you do I could only imagine its some sort of particles or >>>>>>> fractals that you could recreate in some other way in AE >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 7:47 PM, rendernyc wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and here i am reading this thread and have to say i havent really >>>>>>>> come across these issues. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> of course now i reading my email because i am waiting for AE to >>>>>>>> import a 600 layer AI file and it seems to have choked... ugh >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 2:52 PM, scott.aelist < >>>>>>>> scott.aelist@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If it's helpful i've posted a little diagram of my process here: >>>>>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/resFDjm.jpg >>>>>>>>> Teddy yes I save all my SVOs into one AI file... still, it is very >>>>>>>>> time-consuming to have to handle each of these layers individually. I have >>>>>>>>> move them to a new layer, group them (if the object isn't grouped), scale >>>>>>>>> them up, name the layer... etc etc. I thought I might be able to open the >>>>>>>>> PS in AE but it treats all the SVOs as placed raster objects, not as vector >>>>>>>>> objects. >>>>>>>>> Roei thanks for your comment. If you have any tips i'd love to >>>>>>>>> hear. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I feel like there is no quick solution to this and i simply need >>>>>>>>> to file a feature request asking to be able to convert Smart vector objects >>>>>>>>> to shape layers. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Roei Tzoref wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> hey scott. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would like to help you solve your workflow problem. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I work on a news channel where we have to deliver very fast and >>>>>>>>>> rely on fast psd/ai->ae workflow >>>>>>>>>> making the shift from psd vectors to ae is kind of my expertise. >>>>>>>>>> I also teach students where troubleshooting psd/ai->ae is my main >>>>>>>>>> teaching focus. >>>>>>>>>> but enough about me, please contact if you still need some help >>>>>>>>>> and me I am pretty sure I can help you sort some of this mess out. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 1:31 AM, scott.aelist < >>>>>>>>>> scott.aelist@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm frustrated with the amount of redundant file prep i'm having >>>>>>>>>>> to do on a current job and I'm wondering if there's a faster way. I'm >>>>>>>>>>> tasked with animating some little vignettes for a travel show. >>>>>>>>>>> A friend is illustrating the shot in photoshop and then i have >>>>>>>>>>> to animate from the PSD. Ideally I would just import the PSD into AE and >>>>>>>>>>> go, but I can't. A lot of the assets are vector objects so I end up opening >>>>>>>>>>> EVERY SINGLE smart vector object in AI and then I have to save all these >>>>>>>>>>> layers out as AI files. I thought maybe I could import the PSD into AE and >>>>>>>>>>> convert it to shape layers or an AI file there, but no dice. I should also >>>>>>>>>>> mention that I have to scale up all these vector assets 200% because >>>>>>>>>>> sometimes I need layers larger than they appear in the PSD, and if I use >>>>>>>>>>> continually rasterize it often screws up any effects or puppeting I have on >>>>>>>>>>> my layer. This takes an enormous amount of time and my client doesn't >>>>>>>>>>> understand why I can't turn these things out in a day or two, and I have to >>>>>>>>>>> make these dubious-sounding excuses of how I have to 'prepare' all these >>>>>>>>>>> assets for animation. Is there a faster way? And am I the only one who >>>>>>>>>>> scales up all their AI assets before bringing into AE? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> danny princz >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> vimeo.com/rendernyc >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> danny princz >>>>> >>>>> vimeo.com/rendernyc >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> danny princz >>> >>> vimeo.com/rendernyc >>> >> >> > > > -- > danny princz > > vimeo.com/rendernyc > --047d7b8737fa652d3404f3bbf4c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
could you elaborate on that technique?
I didn'= ;t quite get the "crop it back to its original borders"

if you could, give me a simple set of effects on a lay= er where I could see the visual practical use for it.
thanks


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:21 AM, rendernyc <rende= rnyc@gmail.com> wrote:
CC composite is great for m= any things... i tend to reach for it mostly for its stencil alpha blend mod= es so that you can apply effects to a layer and then crop it back to its or= iginal borders


On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Roei Tzo= ref <yooofi@gmail.com> wrote:
I see. looks like you managed it well.=A0
thanks for t= aking the time to share it visually, I appreciate it.

<= div>I will also look into experimenting with CC Composite - behind feature = technique you mentioned.
usually I use CC Composite for making blend mode version of my composi= te for enriching the color and atmosphere and not beyond that.
<= div>


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:05 AM, rendernyc <rendernyc@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
https://db.tt/8QVmkoIw

thi= s would be a precomp within the full piece


On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Roei Tzoref <yooofi@gmail.com> wrote:
couldn't possibly make = an image in my head from all you just wrote
but sounds like you know yo= ur stuff.=A0
all the best.


=
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:45 PM, rendernyc <r= endernyc@gmail.com> wrote:
just a bunch of diferent sh= aped dots and ovalish shapes that make up part of a globe that is part of a= larger logo.

wanted to have them each build on in one color with some ine= rtia bounce and then scale back down down leaving the the 100% scale dot in= the logo color behind.

fill color with the non logo color
take a lay= er and use transform effect with 0->100->0 scale with an inertia expr= ession
set anchor and position to width/2
CC composite = set to behind to leave the logo color at proper size and position behind.= =A0
opacity is 0 hold kf then 100 at scale 100

co= py effects category and paste to all

select all an= d use rift to randmize start point and you have a nice effect in a few minu= tes of work


On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Roei Tzoref <yooofi@gmail.com> wrote:
thanks for sharing
not to imply you should get rid of = the layers :)
just that you should merge them if you don't need the= m separately, which relates to scott's problem.

I'm intrigued about the logo with the 600 layers...=A0
=


On = Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Rendernyc <rendernyc@gmail.com> wrote:
It's a logo. So i= t needs to be precise.=A0

Trust me if I didn't= I wouldn't :)

I split it into 3 files to get it to import=A0

On Mar 3, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Roei Tzoref <yooofi@gmail.com> wrote:

do you really nee= d all those 600 layers in your composition?
if you don't need to mo= ve them separately then the answer is no...=A0
even if you do I c= ould only imagine its some sort of particles or fractals that you could rec= reate in some other way in AE=A0


On Mon,= Mar 3, 2014 at 7:47 PM, rendernyc <rendernyc@gmail.com> w= rote:
and here i am reading this = thread and have to say i havent really come across these issues.

of course now i reading my email =A0because i am waiting for AE to imp= ort a 600 layer AI file and it seems to have choked... ugh



On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 2:52 PM, scott.aelist <scott.aelist@gmail.com> wrote:


On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Roei Tzoref <yooofi@gmai= l.com> wrote:
hey scott.

I would like to help you solve your workflow problem.

I work on a news channel where we have to deliver very fast and rely o= n fast psd/ai->ae workflow
making the shift from psd vectors to ae is kind of my expertise.
=
I also teach students where troubleshooting psd/ai->ae is my main t= eaching focus.
but enough about me, please contact if you still n= eed some help and me I am pretty sure I can help you sort some of this mess= out.



On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 1:31 AM, scott.aelist <scott= .aelist@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm frustrated wit= h the amount of redundant file prep i'm having to do on a current job a= nd I'm wondering if there's a faster way. I'm tasked with anima= ting some little vignettes for a travel show.
A friend is illustrating the shot in photoshop and then i have to ani= mate from the PSD. Ideally I would just import the PSD into AE and go, but = I can't. A lot of the assets are vector objects so I end up opening EVE= RY SINGLE smart vector object in AI and then I have to save all these layer= s out as AI files. I thought maybe I could import the PSD into AE and conve= rt it to shape layers or an AI file there, but no dice. I should also menti= on that I have to scale up all these vector assets 200% because sometimes I= need layers larger than they appear in the PSD, and if I use continually r= asterize it often screws up any effects or puppeting I have on my layer. Th= is takes an enormous amount of time and my client doesn't understand wh= y I can't turn these things out in a day or two, and I have to make the= se dubious-sounding excuses of how I have to 'prepare' all these as= sets for animation. Is there a faster way? And am I the only one who scales= up all their AI assets before bringing into AE?





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danny princz

vimeo.com/rendernyc<= /a>





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vimeo.com/rend= ernyc




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vimeo.com/rend= ernyc




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