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(torno@sydefxink.com@108.184.252.87) by 0 with ESMTPA; 6 Mar 2014 06:03:51 -0000 From: David Torno Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6CBD19D4-F81E-481B-96D3-B2FC301DD884" Subject: Re: [AE] CC license question Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 22:03:50 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: <273AB034-0ADF-4FDC-B155-5EAAC0C732E7@sydefxink.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) --Apple-Mail=_6CBD19D4-F81E-481B-96D3-B2FC301DD884 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So the final choice was made a few days ago to purchase separate = individual licenses. Setup for each machine instead of tied to a = freelancer. Just made more sense cost wise. Feels odd having to do it = that way too. Thanks for all the voices chiming in too. ------ David Torno Technical Director http://www.ghosttownmedia.com O: 213.739.2290 C: 818.391.6060 ------------------------------------------------ http://aeioweyou.blogspot.com (vfx tutorials and AE scripts) On Feb 28, 2014, at 9:10 PM, rendernyc wrote: > On benefit of teams is some sort of package installer. It wasn't yet = available the last place I was at so I don't know how well it works but = if you are managing more than a few machines that should be something = useful.=20 >=20 > On Feb 28, 2014, at 11:10 PM, David Torno wrote: >=20 >> Ya, the site explanation was confusing to me and I thought I was = misreading when I saw a higher monthly cost point for the team license = versus just getting multiple individual licenses. If the team setup = requires user accounts per machine, I might as well just get six = individuals and when we have less freelancers just cancel the = subscriptions for the machines not being used. If we bloat again for a = project, just start paying the monthly again for those machines. Not = only save the difference in monthly cost, but also no need to constantly = change user accounts per freelancer as they would basically be accounts = based on machine. =46rom a financial standpoint Team makes no sense. It = still seems like the same work is being done as would be for an = individual setup, so no sell for me honestly. Maybe that platform works = for a large scale company (30+ staff) or something, but I feel that = would be worse somehow. We go from the core three users to a bloat of = twelve maybe and not all are tasked with AE work so I think I may have = my answer. Thanks for the feedback all. And Todd I'm sure you'll pass = along the thoughts shared here to those that need to know. Maybe a = better explanation from Adobe could clear things up if I'm missing = something too. >>=20 >>=20 >> David Torno >> Technical Director >> http://www.ghosttownmedia.com >> O: 213.739.2290 >> C: 818.391.6060 >> -------------------- >> http://aeioweyou.blogspot.com >>=20 >> "The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh" >> -Charles Field >>=20 >> On Feb 28, 2014, at 6:45 PM, Rendernyc wrote: >>=20 >>> The teams implementation is pretty ass backward. Having to create = emails for eaxh account doesn't give teams the benefits it should have, = especially since it costs more. Genius plan >>>=20 >>> People need to keep letting adobe know that teams implementation = still needs tweaking=20 >>>=20 >>> On Feb 28, 2014, at 6:31 PM, David Torno = wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Good to know. That's what my concern was. It's basically a user = account tied to each seat then? Not just a simple authorization to run = AE on six plus machines using just the one login. We have the freelancer = rotation aspect here as well. >>>>=20 >>>> David Torno >>>> Technical Director >>>> http://www.ghosttownmedia.com >>>> O: 213.739.2290 >>>> C: 818.391.6060 >>>> -------------------- >>>> http://aeioweyou.blogspot.com >>>>=20 >>>> "The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh" >>>> -Charles Field >>>>=20 >>>> On Feb 28, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Allen Ellis = wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> I was in the exact same situation an felt frustrated by the = increased cost. Seemed to me that buying in bulk should cost less, not = more! >>>>>=20 >>>>> To us the real advantage of teams is the centralized billing. = Though you can't really add/subtract seats quickly, if you add a seat = you need to pay for the rest of the year for that seat or pay a pro = rated penalty. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Even in teams you have to create individual email accounts for = each seat which was also bizarre since we have multiple freelancers = rotating thru workstations as needed. >>>>>=20 >>>>> In the end we connected with a local adobe reseller who was able = to get us on board a 40% discount adobe was offering on teams, which was = great. Then we setup an email alias for each account that forwards to = me: cc1@, cc2@, cc3@, etc. We share a Google spreadsheet tracking which = seats are activated on which workstation. >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Feb 28, 2014 6:05 PM, "David Torno" = wrote: >>>>> So I am finally getting my voice heard and the CC conversation is = on the table. Confusion is arising with the plan explanations on the = Adobe site. What's the advantage of team? It looks as if it's ten = dollars cheaper to go with multiple individual plans versus team at $30. = Am I missing something? Or is it due to the extra storage and cloud = frills offered in team. Which are not needed for us. We just want the = software. :) >>>>>=20 >>>>> David Torno >>>>> Technical Director >>>>> http://www.ghosttownmedia.com >>>>> O: 213.739.2290 >>>>> C: 818.391.6060 >>>>> -------------------- >>>>> http://aeioweyou.blogspot.com >>>>>=20 >>>>> "The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh" >>>>> -Charles Field --Apple-Mail=_6CBD19D4-F81E-481B-96D3-B2FC301DD884 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
http://www.ghosttownmedia.com
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http://aeioweyou.blogspot.com (vfx tutorials = and AE = scripts)
On Feb 28, 2014, at 9:10 PM, rendernyc wrote:

On benefit of teams is some sort of package installer. = It wasn't yet available the last place I was at so I don't know how well = it works but if you are managing more than a few machines that should be = something useful. 

On Feb 28, 2014, at 11:10 PM, = David Torno <torno@sydefxink.com> = wrote:

Ya, the site explanation was confusing to me and I = thought I was misreading when I saw a higher monthly cost point for the = team license versus just getting multiple individual licenses. If the = team setup requires user accounts per machine, I might as well just get = six individuals and when we have less freelancers just cancel the = subscriptions for the machines not being used. If we bloat again for a = project, just start paying the monthly again for those machines. Not = only save the difference in monthly cost, but also no need to constantly = change user accounts per freelancer as they would basically be accounts = based on machine. =46rom a financial standpoint Team makes no sense. It = still seems like the same work is being done as would be for an = individual setup, so no sell for me honestly. Maybe that platform works = for a large scale company (30+ staff) or something, but I feel that = would be worse somehow. We go from the core three users to a bloat of = twelve maybe and not all are tasked with AE work so I think I may have = my answer. Thanks for the feedback all. And Todd I'm sure you'll pass = along the thoughts shared here to those that need to know. Maybe a = better explanation from Adobe could clear things up if I'm missing = something too.


David Torno
Technical = Director
http://www.ghosttownmedia.com<= /div>
O: 213.739.2290
C: = 818.391.6060
--------------------
http://aeioweyou.blogspot.com<= /div>

"The most useless day is that in which we do = not laugh"
-Charles = Field

On Feb 28, 2014, at 6:45 PM, Rendernyc = <rendernyc@gmail.com> = wrote:

The teams implementation is pretty ass backward. = Having to create emails for eaxh account doesn't give teams the benefits = it should have, especially since it costs more. Genius = plan

People need to keep letting adobe know = that teams implementation still needs tweaking 

On = Feb 28, 2014, at 6:31 PM, David Torno <torno@sydefxink.com> = wrote:

Good to know. That's what my concern was. It's = basically a user account tied to each seat then? Not just a simple = authorization to run AE on six plus machines using just the one login. = We have the freelancer rotation aspect here as well.

David = Torno
Technical Director
http://www.ghosttownmedia.com<= /div>
O: 213.739.2290
C: = 818.391.6060
--------------------
http://aeioweyou.blogspot.com<= /div>

"The most useless day is that in which we do = not laugh"
-Charles = Field

On Feb 28, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Allen = Ellis <allen.ellis@gmail.com> = wrote:

I was = in the exact same situation an felt frustrated by the increased cost. = Seemed to me that buying in bulk should cost less, not more!

To us the real advantage of teams is the centralized = billing. Though you can't really add/subtract seats quickly, if you add = a seat you need to pay for the rest of the year for that seat or pay a = pro rated penalty.

Even in teams you have to create = individual email accounts for each seat which was also bizarre since we = have multiple freelancers rotating thru workstations as needed.

In the end we connected with a local adobe reseller who was = able to get us on board a 40% discount adobe was offering on teams, = which was great. Then we setup an email alias for each account that = forwards to me: cc1@, cc2@, cc3@, etc. We share a Google spreadsheet = tracking which seats are activated on which workstation.

On Feb 28, 2014 6:05 PM, "David Torno" <torno@sydefxink.com> = wrote:
So I am finally getting my voice heard and the CC = conversation is on the table. Confusion is arising with the plan = explanations on the Adobe site. What's the advantage of team? It looks = as if it's ten dollars cheaper to go with multiple individual plans = versus team at $30. Am I missing something? Or is it due to the extra = storage and cloud frills offered in team. Which are not needed for us. = We just want the software. :)

David Torno
Technical Director
--------------------
http://aeioweyou.blogspot.com

"The most useless day is that in which we do = not laugh"
-Charles = Field
=

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