Return-Path: Received: from mail-la0-f52.google.com ([209.85.215.52] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5403119 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 11:19:35 +0100 Received: by mail-la0-f52.google.com with SMTP id ec20so4527568lab.11 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 03:20:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=EJxXeY8N0z05CTL62JOFwBiYPy+INSqLmJhdhGiR04M=; b=ePvpb3DMmNrYWqWmZ7/mbzVJUh5uWItNcR+n4oyQuTHea2L7CgCJWrcvRwYJ9R3ILX p0JnJOXjQAzPoN7/PaiKTIj6wkp/AhSCzPC2h+oay9UIIwzXIZA0YLhjoX2Zv4SCRJYw o5WcJvn8ybeaXMr964xidVib0wacdCszrGsr11J4gwQACaf5VUJP4f1NEz8P6LCQwNUt 3Zjbqi1HLo6PpxMVN6mcSJJ8xhAfQdvxzSwHJiwAiWsXyWXIpq+z1GNG1dFKHDfxEVzB SjjeE9nc7raVEVUmJIe8xGZe+o4KBkuvKK48a8P8UlRbPCxzx2Gxc5+iib7KaHBlUKgf OCZA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkHcTu0PFrNgGR828ITWPEpWrJV3rH1MZC+IkvaqgB7Waq2GMoiMpEWtG1Gw8M5ULA+Kk3C MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.151.146 with SMTP id uq18mr1043215lbb.38.1394446814588; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 03:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.97.39 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 03:20:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 10:20:14 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] How do I quickly rearrange a Sure Target 2 camera layout? From: Phil Bearman To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7beb97d80ac0b004f43df3b7 --047d7beb97d80ac0b004f43df3b7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Teddy, I think the key to what you're trying to achieve is selecting multiple keyframes and adjusting all of their values by the same amount at the same time. You do this by selecting all the ones you want to change, making sure the Current Time Indicator is over the top of any one of the keyframes, and click-dragging the kayframe value to increase/decrease all of the selected keyframes by the same amount. I've recorded a quick screen capture showing me rearranging 5 Sure Target targets from 1-2-3-4-5 to 1-5-2-3-4, moving the associated keyframes (so the timings are maintained), and then adjusting the keyframe values to keep them running in sequence. Hope this all makes sense and solves your problem, but let me know if anything doesn't make sense. Here's the screen capture video - there's no audio on it: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1388508/SureTargetDemo.mp4 (it's only 4Mb) Cheers, Phil -- *Phil Bearman* *Phil Bearman Creative Media Solutions* Motion Graphics Design *NEW! Video DJ Toolkit Volume 2 - Occasions: http://philbearman.co.uk/shop/vdj-toolkit-2/ * www.PhilBearman.co.uk : Nightclub & Bar ~ Production, Corporate & Events ~ DVD Products 0161 236 2581 - 9am-5pm, Monday-Friday This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this E-Mail. Please notify the sender immediately by E-Mail if you have received this E-Mail by mistake and delete the E-Mail from your system. E-Mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. 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On 7 March 2014 21:26, Robert Davidson wrote: > Hi Teddy, > If I'm understanding correctly....couldn't you just rename all the targets > (and option/drag to replace them), so that the order of appearance is how > the client wants it? > Cheers, Rob > > > On 8 Mar 2014, at 5:00 am, Teddy Gage wrote: > > EDIT: > >instead of smoothly animation from where target 35 is in 3d space over > to where target 35 is, so the target order is VERY important. > > Meant to say: "instead of smoothly animating from where target 25 is in > 3d space over to where target 35 is, so the target order is VERY > important." > > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: > >> So this may be a bit complicated to explain, but I will do my best. I >> am coming to the end of a project where I did the whole layout using Sure >> Target 2.0 (free plugin available from video copilot, it's a life saver) in >> conjunction with Simple Camera Rig (plugin from aescripts.com, but not >> really relevent to this), it has about 35 targets (representing camera move >> positions) that are represented by 3D nulls. You then plug these nulls into >> the plugin script and it automates camera moves between targets with >> predefined settings. It makes a lot of issues of working with AE's camera >> much faster. However, now the client has asked for a section of the piece >> moved to the beginning of the video and this really f***s up the whole >> layout. >> >> Because these targets are laid out in sequence numbered 1-35, in order to >> retime the whole thing I'd either have to move every keyframe denoting >> which target to hit, or rebuild the entire ordered number sequence of >> targets. This is because if you set a keyframe for the camera to animate >> between targets 25-35, it will hit every target in sequence between those >> numbers, instead of smoothly animation from where target 35 is in 3d space >> over to where target 35 is, so the target order is VERY important. >> >> At this point I am thinking of simply cheating the middle section to the >> beginning with a second camera in a precomp, while keeping the overall >> target sequence order intact. >> >> To anyone not familiar with this plugin this may all sound like nonsense, >> but would anyone familiar with Sure Target be able to offer another idea? >> My brain is pretty fried on this one. >> -TG >> >> -- >> _____________________________ >> VFX & Motion Graphic Artist >> teddygage dot com >> > > > > -- > _____________________________ > VFX & Motion Graphic Artist > teddygage dot com > > > Robert Davidson > Multimedia Specialist > 0419 211175 > robdav@ozemail.com.au > http://members.ozemail.com.au/~robdav/SiteRD/Welcome.html > > > > > --047d7beb97d80ac0b004f43df3b7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Teddy,

I think the key to what you&#= 39;re trying to achieve is selecting multiple keyframes and adjusting all o= f their values by the same amount at the same time.  You do this by se= lecting all the ones you want to change, making sure the Current Time Indic= ator is over the top of any one of the keyframes, and click-dragging the ka= yframe value to increase/decrease all of the selected keyframes by the same= amount.

I've recorded a quick screen capture showing me rea= rranging 5 Sure Target targets from 1-2-3-4-5 to 1-5-2-3-4, moving the asso= ciated keyframes (so the timings are maintained), and then adjusting the ke= yframe values to keep them running in sequence.

Hope this all makes sense and solves your problem, but = let me know if anything doesn't make sense.

He= re's the screen capture video - there's no audio on it:   = ;https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1388508/SureTargetDemo.mp4  &= nbsp;(it's only 4Mb)

Cheers,
Phil


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On 7 March 2014 21:26, Robert Davidson <= span dir=3D"ltr"><robdav@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
Hi Teddy,
If I’m understandin= g correctly….couldn’t you just rename all the targets (and opt= ion/drag to replace them), so that the order of appearance is how the clien= t wants it?
Cheers, Rob


On 8 Mar 2014, at 5:00 am, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> wrote:
EDIT:
 >instead of smoothly anima= tion from where target 35 is in 3d space over to where target 35 is, so the= target order is VERY important. 

Mea= nt to say:  "instead of smoothly animating from where target 25 is in 3d spa= ce over to where target 35 is, so the target order is VERY important."=  


On Fri,= Mar 7, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com>= wrote:
    So this may b= e a bit complicated to explain, but I will do my best. I am coming to the e= nd of a project where I did the whole layout using Sure Target 2.0 (free pl= ugin available from video copilot, it's a life saver) in conjunction wi= th Simple Camera Rig (plugin from aescripts.com, but not really relevent to this), it has abo= ut 35 targets (representing camera move positions) that are represented by = 3D nulls. You then plug these nulls into the plugin script and it automates= camera moves between targets with predefined settings. It makes a lot of i= ssues of working with AE's camera much faster. However, now the client = has asked for a section of the piece moved to the beginning of the video an= d this really f***s up the whole layout. 

Because these targets are laid out in sequence numbered 1-35= , in order to retime the whole thing I'd either have to move every keyf= rame denoting which target to hit, or rebuild the entire ordered number seq= uence of targets. This is because if you set a keyframe for the camera to a= nimate between targets 25-35, it will hit every target in sequence between = those numbers, instead of smoothly animation from where target 35 is in 3d = space over to where target 35 is, so the target order is VERY important.&nb= sp;

At this point I am thinking of simply cheating the midd= le section to the beginning with a second camera in a precomp, while keepin= g the overall target sequence order intact. 

To anyone not familiar with this plugin this may all sound like nonsense, b= ut would anyone familiar with Sure Target be able to offer another idea? My= brain is pretty fried on this one. 
-TG

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