Return-Path: Received: from mailex.mailcore.me ([94.136.40.62] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5404498 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 20:57:02 +0100 Received: from mail-qg0-f42.google.com ([209.85.192.42]) by smtp04.mailcore.me with esmtpa (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WNSo3-0003vs-UJ for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 19:57:45 +0000 Received: by mail-qg0-f42.google.com with SMTP id q107so12881562qgd.1 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 12:57:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=H/SkJU3FTGcvxRlTe7EnhXyiZjQl8T6QawAa5yl9+WE=; b=WgTJUH646CLv0b3rhi9WsZ1ukyL83D2A2WzrVlV9dcvdHFNUcqgRjpUISCunR3S1qw XmPHNKN8O6ZGpi9puAfVR5QU4bgK7IS3BUrr1FSqPVNpumhJ+lewCetCwuSy0px0GDyS GtA4h37kZ6xljlW5SwtEa7PDjlzOQtABX6uurkr73H8vkdbc/X8TgSTMQ5l3ySlAbStU Szkiawl9qWn04cUHbrDpLT+VcvDyB8Y2pNZ1f1YrjTRg+uy1a4FzExSM2ytFwrnfazMX b1fjIBnewL+n92BuTAg5kvMQpXsUYJEDQWUx54+zzPATVQt5gnPgC74GbHlQwA6mcSzA koYA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.47.203 with SMTP id m69mr47818238qga.21.1394567862266; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 12:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.168.195 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 12:57:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 19:57:42 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Re[2]: [AE] Autodesk is killing off Softimage XSI & C4D Sale at toolfarm From: Phil Williams To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c159ac0be6f104f45a22f8 X-Mailcore-Auth: 10905782 X-Mailcore-Domain: 21885 --001a11c159ac0be6f104f45a22f8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Spot on Byron, this is a good summary of the what's really happening with Softimage. I think the negative impact is bigger than Autodesk expected. I would much rather deal with a company like The Foundry or Maxon in the future. On 11 March 2014 19:40, Byron Nash wrote: > *Gary*, Softimage was used to create the recent Lego movie that has done > very well in theaters. Also, all the finalists in the recent British > Animation Awards (tv commercials) did their work in Softimage. Similarly, > both silver and gold award winners in the 3d animation category at this > year=E2=80=99s British Television Advertising Craft awards were Softimage > companies. Softimage definitely had a larger presence in Europe and > especially Japan. Softimage scaled well and really shone in small to > mid-sized outfits since it was full featured out of the box. > > It is truly a sad thing to see such a capable tool get swept away. One in > which many of us have invested decades to master. There is a furor going = on > over on the Softimage list and many company owners are speaking up about > it. I personally have lost what little respect I had for Autodesk and am > looking to move onto some other company's offering once I have to leave > Softimage. > > > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 3:15 PM, rendernyc wrote: > >> i missed where they sold it as well. interesting. that seemed to have >> been done pretty quietly. >> >> Im surprised they didnt keep it with the rising interest in 3d printing >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 12:57 PM, adam mercado wrote: >> >>> Well there you go. Had no idea. Google never informed us, you'd think >>> they would let their user base know, especially SUPro users. >>> >>> That article did not mention the object library, 3DWarehouse or whateve= r >>> it is called . Didn't Google own that too, was that part of the package >>> that got sold? That was half of what makes SU so useful. >>> >>> >>> *Adam Mercado* >>> Influxx Media Production >>> Fullerton, CA >>> >>> Moving Images. For Business >>> *714=C2=B0928=C2=B09896* >>> http://www.influxx.com >>> http://www.twitter.com/influxx >>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/influxx >>> http://influxx.tumblr.com/archive >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/influxx >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 11, 2014, at 9:38 AM, Evan Fotis wrote: >>> >>> http://www.mastersketchup.com/why-google-doesnt-need-sketchup-anymore/ >>> On 11-Mar-14 18:23, adam mercado wrote: >>> >>> Google dumped SketchUP? Thats news to me. I use the free version of SU >>> which I updated just recently, and my wife - an interior designer - use= s >>> the pro version all the time. SU is going nowhere for a while for us. >>> >>> >>> *Adam Mercado* >>> Influxx Media Production >>> Fullerton, CA >>> >>> Moving Images. For Business >>> *714=EF=BF=BD928=EF=BF=BD9896* >>> http://www.influxx.com >>> http://www.twitter.com/influxx >>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/influxx >>> http://influxx.tumblr.com/archive >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/influxx >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 10, 2014, at 3:15 PM, brian@totaltraining.com wrote: >>> >>> I thought it was a shame that Adobe never purchased SketchUp., even as >>> a modeler for Photoshop and AE. Instead Google bought it, and then >>> subsequently dumped it. >>> >>> It's a great modeler (for simple things anyway). >>> >>> B >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "Teddy Gage" >>> To: "After Effects Mail List" >>> Sent: 3/10/2014 6:11:23 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AE] Autodesk is killing off Softimage XSI & C4D Sale at >>> toolfarm >>> >>> >>> > -tho a bit of a shame that Adobe never acquired a 3d app of their >>> own, ya know? >>> >>> People said that is why AD originally bought SI - to keep it from >>> Adobe. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Gary Reisman >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I almost forgot it existed! >>>> Can't recall the last time I read about it being used in any of the >>>> trade mags or online. >>>> >>>> But makes perfect sense considering Autodesk has so many other 3d >>>> apps, and I'm sure they'll offer owners the opportunity to up/side-gra= de to >>>> Maya. >>>> -tho a bit of a shame that Adobe never acquired a 3d app of their own, >>>> ya know? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 10, 2014, at 2:06 PM, rendernyc wrote: >>>> >>>> i dont think anyone who uses, develops for or has built there >>>> pipeline around Soft is surprised. >>>> disappointed im sure but the writing has been on the wall for years. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Teddy Gage >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/behind-screen/autodesk-will-disconti= nue-softimage-software-685939 >>>>> >>>>> Great software, it will probably end up in Autodesk's basement >>>>> somewhere, they have already stated they won't sell it off because it >>>>> contains too many of their IPs or something. They just completed the = LEGO >>>>> movie using SI. It has a pretty fantastic node scripting language. I = feel >>>>> terrible for shops that built their whole pipelines on SI. Or plugin >>>>> developers who wasted thousands. AD are pushing everyone to Max or Ma= ya >>>>> instead. For an interesting perspective there is a thread on cgsociet= y here >>>>> >>>>> http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=3D59&t=3D1160981 >>>>> >>>>> And probably not a coincidence, but a heads up if anyone was looking >>>>> to upgrade, there is 10% off C4D upgrades at toolfarm this month, wit= h >>>>> added discount for your C4D lite licenses that come with AE CC. Not a >>>>> shill, but it's good software, and definitely complements my Maya >>>>> knowledge. People are saying they will jump ship to >>>>> C4D, Houdini, Modo or even Blender instead of staying with Autodesk. >>>>> -TG >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> _____________________________ >>>>> VFX & Motion Graphic Artist >>>>> teddygage dot com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> danny princz >>>> >>>> vimeo.com/rendernyc >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> _____________________________ >>> VFX & Motion Graphic Artist >>> teddygage dot com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> danny princz >> >> vimeo.com/rendernyc >> > > --001a11c159ac0be6f104f45a22f8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Spot on Byron, this is a good summary of the what's re= ally happening with Softimage.

I think the negative impa= ct is bigger than Autodesk expected. I would much rather deal with a compan= y like The Foundry or Maxon in the future.


On 11 March 2= 014 19:40, Byron Nash <byronnash@gmail.com> wrote:
Gary, Softimage was used to create the recent Lego = movie that has done very well in theaters. Also, all the=C2=A0finalists in = the recent British Animation Awards (tv commercials) did their work in Soft= image. Similarly, both silver and gold award winners in the 3d animation ca= tegory at this year=E2=80=99s British Television Advertising Craft awards w= ere Softimage companies. Softimage definitely had a larger presence in Euro= pe and especially Japan. Softimage scaled well and really shone in small to= mid-sized outfits since it was full featured out of the box. =C2=A0

It is truly a sad thing to see such a capable tool get swept= away. One in which many of us have invested decades to master. There is a = furor going on over on the Softimage list and many company owners are speak= ing up about it. I personally have lost what little respect I had for Autod= esk and am looking to move onto some other company's offering once I ha= ve to leave Softimage.



On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 3:15 PM, rendernyc = <rendernyc@gmai= l.com> wrote:
i missed where they sold it= as well. interesting. that seemed to have been done pretty quietly.
Im surprised they didnt keep it with the rising interest in 3d p= rinting


On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 12:57 PM, adam m= ercado <adam@influxx.com> wrote:
Well there you go. Had no idea. Google never informed us, you'd think t= hey would let their user base know, especially SUPro users.=C2=A0

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That article did not mention the object library, 3DWarehouse or w= hatever it is called . Didn't Google own that too, was that part of the= package that got sold? That was half of what makes SU so useful.


Adam Mercado
Influxx Media Production
Fullerton,= CA

Moving Images. For Business
714= =C2=B0928=C2=B09896

On Mar 11, 2014, at 9:38 AM, Evan Foti= s wrote:

Google dumped= SketchUP? Thats news to me. I use the free version of SU which I upda= ted just recently, and my wife - an interior designer - uses the pro v= ersion all the time. SU is going nowhere for a while for us.

Adam Mercado
Influxx Media Productio= n
Fullerton, CA
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Moving Imag= es. For Business
714=EF=BF=BD928=EF=BF=BD9896
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I almost = forgot it existed!
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But makes perfect sense considering = Autodesk has so many other 3d apps, and = I'm sure they'll offer owners the = opportunity to up/side-grade to Maya.
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Great software, it = will probably end up in = Autodesk's basement = somewhere, they have = already stated they = won't sell it off becaus= e it contains too many of th= eir IPs or something. They j= ust completed the LEGO movie= using SI. It has a = pretty fantastic node = scripting language. I = feel terrible for shops = that built their whole = pipelines on SI. Or = plugin developers who = wasted thousands. AD are = pushing everyone to Max or = Maya instead. For an interes= ting perspective there is a = thread on cgsociety here

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