Return-Path: Received: from mo4-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de ([81.169.146.221] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5404511 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 21:08:06 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1394568530; l=14879; s=domk; d=mamoworld.com; h=In-Reply-To:To:References:Date:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type: From:X-RZG-CLASS-ID:X-RZG-AUTH; bh=aFoeS3ZpRlAXH0bpcTmFdnaQJTg=; b=bcfQA4HlEdfiz4aRhoKlFVkX2ZcN6zxAYDj3fqzxgRLGnhej86RJeVPYwhbxPvXoF2J nKykkK90wBo7TOy0NsZrb4YgX0sYtHA0tXNkVtf8uHsAP35LF0NPNAML6qAWKarQM7q6f YbceTjTkgUiDxPolprJ0I00IPCulXVvthzk= X-RZG-AUTH: :LWIAZ0GIdv49ZAhJr0zmL5xPHZP2ABxU2ybWn22oI1oyUJYB3NvMh4L36BPx8rM= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Received: from [192.168.14.20] (p5DC6564E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.198.86.78]) by smtp.strato.de (RZmta 32.27 DYNA|AUTH) with ESMTPSA id U03c89q2BK8nmtC (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 21:08:49 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mathias_M=F6hl?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_4EE243B3-CB2B-43E1-A7B8-6E38824BA932" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) Subject: Re: [AE] How do I quickly rearrange a Sure Target 2 camera layout? Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 21:08:48 +0100 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) --Apple-Mail=_4EE243B3-CB2B-43E1-A7B8-6E38824BA932 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Interesting to hear about the combination of Sure Target and Layer = Placement iExpressions! Looking forward to see the project. Cheers, Mathias mamoworld.com simplify your cgi Dr. Mathias M=F6hl Marlow 52, 18551 Sagard, Germany Phone +49 (0)38302 - 887561 info@mamoworld.com Am 11.03.2014 um 20:47 schrieb Teddy Gage : Mathias, that is exactly what I was saying. It seems like a tricky flaw = in the design to get around. Considering it's a free plugin, I doubt = they are willing to invest the time. That is a smart solution for your = autofocus, but not as useful without linking to the move targets. If you = made an improved Sure Target, I would buy it in a second. And by the = way, your layer placement scripts saved me literally days of work on = this project. I am going to post it as soon as I am done, I think it is = a good example of what your scripts can do.=20 For example, I had a sequence where the camera runs down a line of 10 = products. I set up the products in 3d space aligned using 3D line layer = placement plugin, then generated sure targets and used the same = iExpression to match up the products and the camera targets. Then I only = needed two 3D null controllers to change the entire camera animation, = timing, and product alignment in 3D space. Notes that would have taken = hours were almost instant fixes.=20 Anyway, I ended up making a full copy of the original camera rig and the = first ten targets, moved the entire timeline of 253 layers ahead by 20 = seconds and inserted the new clips at the beginning, cutting and pasting = properties between the original targets and the new camera rig system. = Then I transitioned between the cloned targets and the original targets = in the old camera system where it crossed over so it was seamless. = Although I had to counter-rotate the entire set at one point in order to = loop back to the original coordinates. It took way too much time to = figure that out. -TG=20 On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Robert Davidson = wrote: Hi Teddy, If I=92m understanding correctly=85.couldn=92t you just rename all the = targets (and option/drag to replace them), so that the order of = appearance is how the client wants it? Cheers, Rob On 8 Mar 2014, at 5:00 am, Teddy Gage wrote: > EDIT: > >instead of smoothly animation from where target 35 is in 3d space = over to where target 35 is, so the target order is VERY important.=20 >=20 > Meant to say: "instead of smoothly animating from where target 25 is = in 3d space over to where target 35 is, so the target order is VERY = important."=20 >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Teddy Gage = wrote: > So this may be a bit complicated to explain, but I will do my = best. I am coming to the end of a project where I did the whole layout = using Sure Target 2.0 (free plugin available from video copilot, it's a = life saver) in conjunction with Simple Camera Rig (plugin from = aescripts.com, but not really relevent to this), it has about 35 targets = (representing camera move positions) that are represented by 3D nulls. = You then plug these nulls into the plugin script and it automates camera = moves between targets with predefined settings. It makes a lot of issues = of working with AE's camera much faster. However, now the client has = asked for a section of the piece moved to the beginning of the video and = this really f***s up the whole layout.=20 >=20 > Because these targets are laid out in sequence numbered 1-35, in order = to retime the whole thing I'd either have to move every keyframe = denoting which target to hit, or rebuild the entire ordered number = sequence of targets. This is because if you set a keyframe for the = camera to animate between targets 25-35, it will hit every target in = sequence between those numbers, instead of smoothly animation from where = target 35 is in 3d space over to where target 35 is, so the target order = is VERY important.=20 >=20 > At this point I am thinking of simply cheating the middle section to = the beginning with a second camera in a precomp, while keeping the = overall target sequence order intact.=20 >=20 > To anyone not familiar with this plugin this may all sound like = nonsense, but would anyone familiar with Sure Target be able to offer = another idea? My brain is pretty fried on this one.=20 > -TG >=20 > --=20 > _____________________________ > VFX & Motion Graphic Artist > teddygage dot com >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > _____________________________ > VFX & Motion Graphic Artist > teddygage dot com Robert Davidson Multimedia Specialist 0419 211175 robdav@ozemail.com.au http://members.ozemail.com.au/~robdav/SiteRD/Welcome.html --=20 _____________________________ VFX & Motion Graphic Artist teddygage dot com --Apple-Mail=_4EE243B3-CB2B-43E1-A7B8-6E38824BA932 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Interesting to hear about the combination of Sure = Target and Layer Placement iExpressions!
Looking forward to see the = project.

Cheers,
Mathias
mamoworld.com
simplify your = cgi

Dr. Mathias M=F6hl
Marlow 52, 18551 Sagard, = Germany
Phone +49 (0)38302 - 887561
info@mamoworld.com




Am 11.03.2014 um 20:47 schrieb Teddy Gage = <teddygage@gmail.com>:

Mathias, that is exactly what I was saying. It seems like a tricky flaw = in the design to get around. Considering it's a free plugin, I doubt = they are willing to invest the time. That is a smart solution for your = autofocus, but not as useful without linking to the move targets. If you = made an improved Sure Target, I would buy it in a second. And by the = way, your layer placement scripts saved me literally days of work on = this project. I am going to post it as soon as I am done, I think it is = a good example of what your scripts can do. 

For example, I had a sequence where the camera runs = down a line of 10 products. I set up the products in 3d space aligned = using 3D line layer placement plugin, then generated sure targets and = used the same iExpression to match up the products and the camera = targets. Then I only needed two 3D null controllers to change the entire = camera animation, timing, and product alignment in 3D space. Notes that = would have taken hours were almost instant fixes. 

Anyway, I ended up making a full copy of the = original camera rig and the first ten targets, moved the entire timeline = of 253 layers ahead by 20 seconds and inserted the new clips at the = beginning, cutting and pasting properties between the original targets = and the new camera rig system. Then I transitioned between the cloned = targets and the original targets in the old camera system where it = crossed over so it was seamless. Although I had to counter-rotate the = entire set at one point in order to loop back to the original = coordinates. It took way too much time to figure that out.
-TG 


On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Robert Davidson = <robdav@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
Hi Teddy,
If I=92m understanding = correctly=85.couldn=92t you just rename all the targets (and option/drag = to replace them), so that the order of appearance is how the client = wants it?
Cheers, Rob


On 8 Mar 2014, at 5:00 am, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> wrote:

EDIT:
 >instead = of smoothly animation from where target 35 is in 3d space over to where = target 35 is, so the target order is VERY important. 

Meant to = say:  "instead of = smoothly animating from where target 25 is in 3d space over to where = target 35 is, so the target order is VERY important." 


On = Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> wrote:
  =   So this may be a bit complicated to explain, but I will do my = best. I am coming to the end of a project where I did the whole layout = using Sure Target 2.0 (free plugin available from video copilot, it's a = life saver) in conjunction with Simple Camera Rig (plugin from aescripts.com, but = not really relevent to this), it has about 35 targets (representing = camera move positions) that are represented by 3D nulls. You then plug = these nulls into the plugin script and it automates camera moves between = targets with predefined settings. It makes a lot of issues of working = with AE's camera much faster. However, now the client has asked for a = section of the piece moved to the beginning of the video and this really = f***s up the whole layout. 

Because these targets are laid out in sequence numbered = 1-35, in order to retime the whole thing I'd either have to move every = keyframe denoting which target to hit, or rebuild the entire ordered = number sequence of targets. This is because if you set a keyframe for = the camera to animate between targets 25-35, it will hit every target in = sequence between those numbers, instead of smoothly animation from where = target 35 is in 3d space over to where target 35 is, so the target order = is VERY important. 

At this point I am thinking of simply cheating the = middle section to the beginning with a second camera in a precomp, while = keeping the overall target sequence order = intact. 

To anyone not familiar with this plugin this may all sound like = nonsense, but would anyone familiar with Sure Target be able to offer = another idea? My brain is pretty fried on this = one. 
-TG

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