Return-Path: Received: from mout.perfora.net ([74.208.4.195] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5414658 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 18:51:36 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.7] (CPE-72-135-117-181.new.res.rr.com [72.135.117.181]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M558A-1XJIs51RMc-00ylH6; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 13:52:40 -0400 From: Steve Oakley Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_41E05161-14F0-4B13-82C7-314F056ADA36" Message-Id: <72533F1A-A611-4975-AECC-C00F3F51EC88@practicali.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) Subject: Re: [AE] Adobe Premier Importing Problem Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 12:52:41 -0500 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:b2wHKidcnFA8DKmHraIuRXdqzbOYMmDo4AePhmE2jLw 43ML3y+GNT2h0kjC2ve2F1Zj/1b4JUdEqkNuRLlbkNTFZH4rB/ 8pZhCxuBnw4ACxu6BIe9B8w8kVWzKgvsWmfG7COk5vBrEu6glo fpLvueEbsqf4kj5THb5jZ6Kd18H0bixy4X1RsHNuEqWrXzUtKE 6OxYHjF/nEw+pvgT5Gj5QDCbciIZISiKKyylvFOioFL1phgtas 0DJZ7BoBsKni/VHJGSoliUFwZCAXwbXQ2lhWRR+BiWSaEJ/P/x ATlOfqqVP/hkjWXFypZRdb/BnRnrBUFzUEuEYsmUGCUkOv9MlR mNqrO//jJgISQo80JqLA4OFt9kqB5erZeM8e1sLruERKnQlH0P n4pADDaK93Ydw== --Apple-Mail=_41E05161-14F0-4B13-82C7-314F056ADA36 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I bounce projects between machines on a near daily basis and haven't had = relink issues or out of memory error.... maybe I just haven't had a = large enough project but most are 1-4 hrs of source, 2-10 TL's. as for output - PP does use multiple CPU's. just watch the Activity = monitor. this is especially true for h.264 output. not sure there needs = to be any control of this. if you are doing a direct export you want = everything to be used so it gets done as fast as possible. FWIW I find = when I have a longer output I can still flip to a browser or other light = app and still have ok responsiveness. OTH I wouldn't be jumping in to = AE.... go file a FR with adobe for the format you need. 16bit TIFF = isn't something most editors are ever going to want to output. you can = always send the TL to AE, not ideal but gets the job done.=20 S On Mar 23, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Stephen van Vuuren = wrote: > > Curious about the render output problems or engine you are referring = to. > =20 > Various things =96 multi-core optimizations and control, lack of = support of various formats (i.e. try outputting a 16-bit TIFF with LZM = compression turned on) much less straightforward color management etc.. = Plus an overly busy UI for a featured more limited than AE. And AME=92s = performance is underwhelming especially with AE files. GPU accelerated = rendering in a panacea. > =20 > It=92s not a crash/buggy as it used to be though =96 that has = improved. > =20 > stephen van vuuren > 336.202.4777 > =20 > http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ > http://www.sv2dcp.com/ > http://www.sv2studios.com/ > =20 > A film is =96 or should be =96 more like music than like fiction. It = should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=92s = behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later. > =96Stanley Kubrick > =20 > From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On = Behalf Of Carey Dissmore > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 10:09 PM > To: After Effects Mail List > Subject: Re: [AE] Adobe Premier Importing Problem > =20 > Curious about the render output problems or engine you are referring = to. > I=92ve not had issues exporting from PPro using Export Media or via = Media Encoder (both of those things seem to share a common or very = similar codebase). > =20 > The biggest things I find myself explaining to people is that =93Smart = Export=94 (copying as it exports) only applies when the source and = destination codecs match and also explaining what the =93Maximum = Quality=94 and =93Use Previews=94 checkboxes do.=20 > =20 > The issues I used to have with disappearing rendered previews have = vanished with the latest version. > =20 > carey > =20 > On Mar 22, 2014, at 7:32 PM, Stephen van Vuuren = wrote: >=20 >=20 > It=92s just disappointing the Premiere=92s codebase is still far from = where it needs to be =96 memory issues like this and it needs a render = output engine like AE. --Apple-Mail=_41E05161-14F0-4B13-82C7-314F056ADA36 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 I = bounce projects between machines on a near daily basis and haven't had = relink issues or out of memory error.... maybe I just haven't had a = large enough project but most are 1-4 hrs of source, 2-10 = TL's.

as for output - PP does use multiple CPU's. = just watch the Activity monitor. this is especially true for h.264 = output. not sure there needs to be any control of this. if you are doing = a direct export you want everything to be used so it gets done as fast = as possible. FWIW I find when I have a longer output I can still flip to = a browser or other light app and still have ok responsiveness. OTH I = wouldn't be jumping in to AE....  go file a FR with adobe for the = format you need. 16bit TIFF isn't something most editors are ever going = to want to output. you can always send the TL to AE, not ideal but gets = the job = done. 

S

On Mar = 23, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Stephen van Vuuren <stephen@sv2studios.com> = wrote:

> Curious about the render = output problems or engine you are referring to.
 
Various things =96 = multi-core optimizations and control, lack of support of various formats = (i.e. try outputting a 16-bit TIFF with LZM compression turned on) much = less straightforward color management etc.. Plus an overly busy UI for a = featured more limited than AE. And AME=92s performance is underwhelming = especially with AE files. GPU accelerated rendering in a = panacea.
 
It=92s not a crash/buggy as it used to be though =96 = that has improved.
 
A film is =96 or should be =96 more like music than = like fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The = theme, what=92s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes = later.
=96Stanley = Kubrick
 
From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Carey = Dissmore
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 = 10:09 PM
To: After Effects Mail = List
Subject: Re: [AE] Adobe Premier = Importing Problem
 
Curious about = the render output problems or engine you are referring = to.
I=92ve not had = issues exporting from PPro using Export Media or via Media Encoder (both = of those things seem to share a common or very similar = codebase).
 
The = biggest things I find myself explaining to people is that =93Smart = Export=94 (copying as it exports) only applies when the source and = destination codecs match and also explaining what the =93Maximum = Quality=94 and =93Use Previews=94 checkboxes = do. 
 
The = issues I used to have with disappearing rendered previews have vanished = with the latest version.
 
carey
 
On = Mar 22, 2014, at 7:32 PM, Stephen van Vuuren <stephen@sv2studios.com> = wrote:


It=92s= just disappointing the Premiere=92s codebase is still far from where it = needs to be =96 memory issues like this and it needs a render output = engine like = AE.
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