Return-Path: Received: from mail-qc0-f175.google.com ([209.85.216.175] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5414849 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 02:14:14 +0100 Received: by mail-qc0-f175.google.com with SMTP id e16so5165312qcx.20 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 18:15:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=8ZhnDKA1Ph+RPHWO3z0w1lVXvb0FEK9x9qF3dCQ93js=; b=yTLVXiFFIuIUnPb0kZYMXuXiulUJlHIjd3NDJz4lnh9lTs8w0kHfUyHibFmDlP8upL Wgwxy3oBB7Y3Gr6g2HwCwG4E6rZBiVEpWqFoB2GXfDCZ7+7mvAFRfghyUvve+jf+hzfn +Se+9ZHnqHvaywMMO276eeYm5JtwCtXeDBoVGlgaf2bkXfL0ojE9rhbFo0h+cndwB9S/ aRKbp5P8FhEI1yaH2zvyO+KEInIijPpq9gkvmk5OTUZWga5TC0JXp1iYyw/iZhyGB5kE hBxxI6PG9EGqywq9uWnKaTY9RVB49Rod37V39b5ftt/7hwM4s2Wy6WwBeL2b1j+zy+bT nctw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.67.4 with SMTP id p4mr8780qai.89.1395623720575; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 18:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.138.81 with HTTP; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 18:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.138.81 with HTTP; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 18:15:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 21:15:20 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Conversion to ProRes and CINEC From: Greg Balint To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3daa21ae7d804f54ff817 --001a11c3daa21ae7d804f54ff817 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Contact the developer of Cinec and express your concerns. It might be something that they have fixed, or they could specifically troubleshoot the issue with you if you have the problem with the pro version. In my experience, smaller developers tend to be more personable, and if the problem can't be solved and continues to happen, they may even offer a refund if it doesn't suit your needs. Just make sure you are clear with your problem to them and see what they say. ///Greg Balint //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer /321.514.4839 delRAZOR.com/ On Mar 23, 2014 8:31 PM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" wrote: > Hey Sean, > > Thanks. Ideally, this is what I need anyway. I just want to be sure I > have a solution that really works and is consistent. I'd prefer to not > have to go buy a mac just for this unless absolutely necessary. > > So with this link, I see a slightly different user interface than the > CINEC one but isn't that back end of this thing still the same with the use > of the ffmpeg and all? > > I believe it's the same thing. So have you ever noticed it adding any > additional frames? It's really weird. I had 31 very small clips like > ranging from just 1 second to the longest being about 1 minute (most were a > couple seconds or so) and out of those 31, 29 converted perfectly, while > the other two added frames at the end. The front part was still fine but I > couldn't figure out why it added frames. > > I even re-rendered those from AE to see if that helped and they still > added the frames. No logic whatsoever to that. > > CINEC has a higher paid version which I would consider too if I knew it > was going to be flawless, just don't want to pay $100 and find it does the > same as the standard version. > > Appreciate the insight. > > Eric > > > On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Sean Kennedy wrote: > >> I also have a couple mac minis, but I don't have AE on them. On my main >> PC workstation, I use a free program called Another GUI to make prores >> files. It's really easy and totally free, and all on a PC. It doesn't even >> install anything. >> >> http://www.authorityfx.com/encoding-videos-in-prores-4444-on-windows/ >> >> Just another option. :) >> >> ------------------------------ >> To: AE-List@media-motion.tv >> From: teddygage@gmail.com >> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 14:00:39 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [AE] Conversion to ProRes and CINEC >> >> ah that was the wrong switch... this is the one >> >> >> http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-ProSafe-Gigabit-Ethernet-Desktop/dp/B0000BVYT3/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1395597607&sr=8-2&keywords=netgear+ethernet+switch >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: >> >> What Rik said, I'm pretty sure even a CS6 license will allow two installs >> as long as they are not simultaneous. I actually use FCP & compressor to >> automate the workflow with a Qmaster cluster, so I'm using all cores on my >> macbook pro and the mac mini at once - although this really works best for >> huge multi-clip encodes, as Qmaster is sort of finicky. >> >> I have two PC workstations, a mac mini, a macbook pro, and a standalone >> Synology NAS server with external backup, all hooked up to a 5 switch >> auto-uplink netgear hub (this one >> http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-ProSAFE-5-Port-Ethernet-Desktop/dp/B00002EQCW) >> at 1000 mbps which tops out around 115 MB per second between all machines, >> which is usually disk-limited. For really demanding stuff I have two 750 GB >> SSDs in RAID1 that get about 800 MB per second read/write on my main >> workstation. >> >> The mac mini can use bi-directional windows SMB file sharing and the NAS >> will read / write easily with mac or pc so it makes my studio platform >> agnostic. You don't even really need OSX server, 10.9 works just fine. >> There are a few small things you have to set up right between systems but >> it's way easier than it sounds. And everything gets archived to both the >> NAS and a bare external drive every night - I use the drives like tape >> storage for old projects, 1TB disks are pretty cheap these days. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:43 PM, rik bogusz wrote: >> >> with the cc subscription, two installs is authorized >> >> On Mar 23, 2014, at 10:09 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" < >> kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I guess the only problem with that is that I would have to have 2 >> licenses for AE wouldn't I? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:06 PM, rik bogusz wrote: >> >> I have a similar workflow, create/ render to 16bit .png sequence project >> on a windows machine. import .png folder to after effects on a Mac mini, >> (both machines on a gig Ethernet network) output to prores4444. >> >> On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:55 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" < >> kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Teddy, >> >> Thanks. So what is the workflow then for this? So, I get a mini mac >> (not sure what that is but will research) and then I presume you copy all >> your files to a USB drive from PC, plug in to mini mac and then? What are >> you using then for the conversion on the Mac? >> >> Thanks, >> Eric >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: >> >> I skip prores exports from PC altogether because of those issues, and >> either send DNxHD QTs direct or encode Prores from lossless files on my mac >> mini / MBP. I'd highly recommend a used recent mac mini as a standalone >> encoding device / server, it works great and speeds up workflow >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk < >> kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I've been using this thing now for a year or so with sort of mixed >> reviews. I sometimes get perfect conversions and then other times, it will >> add a white frame at the end or just slap on a random 5 frames or so of >> black. Has anyone had this problem? >> >> Is there an application out there that people have had better luck with? >> >> Thanks, >> Eric >> >> -- >> *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* >> *Hidden in the Woods | VFX* >> *The Night Visitor | VFX* >> *443.206.1347* >> >> *www.kirkproductions.com >> kirkproductions@gmail.com * >> *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >> * >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> _____________________________ >> VFX & Motion Graphic Artist >> teddygage dot com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* >> *Hidden in the Woods | VFX* >> *The Night Visitor | VFX* >> *443.206.1347* >> >> *www.kirkproductions.com >> kirkproductions@gmail.com >> * >> *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >> * >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* >> *Hidden in the Woods | VFX* >> *The Night Visitor | VFX* >> *443.206.1347* >> >> *www.kirkproductions.com >> kirkproductions@gmail.com >> * >> *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >> * >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> _____________________________ >> VFX & Motion Graphic Artist >> teddygage dot com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> _____________________________ >> VFX & Motion Graphic Artist >> teddygage dot com >> > > > > -- > *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* > *Hidden in the Woods | VFX* > *The Night Visitor | VFX* > *443.206.1347 <443.206.1347>* > > *www.kirkproductions.com > kirkproductions@gmail.com > * > *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ > * > > --001a11c3daa21ae7d804f54ff817 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Contact the developer of Cinec and express your concerns. It= might be something that they have fixed, or they could specifically troubl= eshoot the issue with you if you have the problem with the pro version. In = my experience, smaller developers tend to be more personable, and if the pr= oblem can't be solved and continues to happen, they may even offer a re= fund if it doesn't suit your needs.=A0 Just make sure you are clear wit= h your problem to them and see what they say.

///Greg Balint
//Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer
/321.514.4839
delRAZOR.com/
=A0=A0=A0

On Mar 23, 2014 8:31 PM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk&= quot; <kirkproductions@gmai= l.com> wrote:
Hey Sean,

Thanks. =A0Ideally, this is w= hat I need anyway. =A0I just want to be sure I have a solution that really = works and is consistent. =A0I'd prefer to not have to go buy a mac just= for this unless absolutely necessary.

So with this link, I see a slightly different user inte= rface than the CINEC one but isn't that back end of this thing still th= e same with the use of the ffmpeg and all?

I belie= ve it's the same thing. =A0So have you ever noticed it adding any addit= ional frames? =A0It's really weird. =A0I had 31 very small clips like r= anging from just 1 second to the longest being about 1 minute (most were a = couple seconds or so) and out of those 31, 29 converted perfectly, while th= e other two added frames at the end. =A0The front part was still fine but I= couldn't figure out why it added frames.

I even re-rendered those from AE to see if that helped = and they still added the frames. =A0No logic whatsoever to that.
=
CINEC has a higher paid version which I would consider too i= f I knew it was going to be flawless, just don't want to pay $100 and f= ind it does the same as the standard version.

Appreciate the insight.

Eric
<= div class=3D"gmail_extra">

On Sun, Mar 23= , 2014 at 5:41 PM, Sean Kennedy <mack_dadd2@hotmail.com> wrote:
I also have a couple mac minis, but I don't have = AE on them. On my main PC workstation, I use a free program called Another = GUI to make prores files. It's really easy and totally free, and all on= a PC. It doesn't even install anything.

http://www.authorityfx.com/encoding= -videos-in-prores-4444-on-windows/

Just another = option. :)

To: AE-List@media-motion.tv
From: teddygage@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 201= 4 14:00:39 -0400
Subject: Re: [AE] Conversion to ProRes and CINEC



On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Teddy Gage <= span dir=3D"ltr"><teddygage@gmail.com> wrote:
What Rik said, I'm pretty sure even a CS6 license wil= l allow two installs as long as they are not simultaneous. I actually use F= CP & compressor to automate the workflow with a Qmaster cluster, so I&#= 39;m using all cores on my macbook pro and the mac mini at once - although = this really works best for huge multi-clip encodes, as Qmaster is sort of f= inicky.=A0







On Sun= , Mar 23, 2014 at 1:43 PM, rik bogusz <rik.gaijin@mac.com> = wrote:
with the cc subscription, two installs is authorized

On Mar 23, 2014, at 10:09 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk"= <kirkpro= ductions@gmail.com> wrote:

I guess the only problem with t= hat is that I would have to have 2 licenses for AE wouldn't I?

=





On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:06 PM, rik bogusz <rik.gaijin@mac.com>= wrote:
I have a similar workflow, create/ render to 16bit .= png sequence project on a windows machine. import .png folder to after effe= cts on a Mac mini, (both machines on a gig Ethernet network) output to pror= es4444.

On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:55 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" <kirkproductions@= gmail.com> wrote:

Teddy,

Thanks. =A0So what is the workflow then for this?= =A0So, I get a mini mac (not sure what that is but will research) and then= I presume you copy all your files to a USB drive from PC, plug in to mini = mac and then? =A0What are you using then for the conversion on the Mac?

Thanks,
Eric


On Sun, Ma= r 23, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> w= rote:
I skip prores exports from PC altogether because of those issues, = and either send DNxHD QTs direct or encode Prores from lossless files on my= mac mini / MBP. I'd highly recommend a used recent mac mini as a stand= alone encoding device / server, it works great and speeds up workflow


On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

I've been using this thing now for a= year or so with sort of mixed reviews. =A0I sometimes get perfect conversi= ons and then other times, it will add a white frame at the end or just slap= on a random 5 frames or so of black. =A0Has anyone had this problem?

Is there an application out there that people have had = better luck with?

Thanks,
Eric

--
Eric D. Kirk |=A0Kirk Productions
Hidden in the Woods | VFX
The Night Vis= itor | VFX
=A0



--
_____________________________
VFX & M= otion Graphic Artist
teddygage dot com



--
Eric D. Kirk |=A0<= /b>Kirk Productions
Hidden in the Woods | VFX
The Night Visitor | VFX
=A0



--
Eric D. Kirk |=A0Kirk Productions
Hidd= en in the Woods | VFX
The Night Visitor | VFX
=A0



--
__________________= ___________
VFX & Motion Graphic Artist
teddygage dot com
=


--
_____________________________
VFX & Motion Graphic Artist
teddygage dot com



--
Eric D. Kirk |=A0Kirk Productions
Hidd= en in the Woods | VFX
The Night Visitor | VFX
=A0
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