Return-Path: Received: from mail-ve0-f170.google.com ([209.85.128.170] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5415018 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 10:46:01 +0100 Received: by mail-ve0-f170.google.com with SMTP id pa12so5448081veb.29 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 02:47:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=QFBTOLNYo8QvZxh2vwSaolWm6pk/80TLWKI86/Ka2m0=; b=IEe8gn2+e6eIwKdWvQzw8gq3k3pH0SglDqdmWRcqmaz24R02EhJeIdR4R89qV5I+9v 9CFz+E+746Rv+Yy5dquKaHjhEGe5VfKJ7vmL5XMgMyi+t2QmZcBHd/9No0FAxMoarX4d CdNrlc+r5zYHlzvpTXsIDIe72uGGzvFWXGYTxqZqinZpzpyV9+J3O2adF9aJOCWVxODp 57QJm7B89b41yRUSZUJ5Ux9hyfrVFz6Srhb2y5UcpZBhnO5C+at1Gp31F+ZRE8lXTdQN GLF90vd2IfjzE/syNp59TwZlvf1aKpMFmx0shCLDdsNW17yZkMDcjWAVEL7kmdyvUxnJ qUDA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkFvHza8tqwTkYQkOZAaPGjlf8VpX1VUOXpY16hTXYDGuAaYe4LNVGkQl2TqdrkkvCGGXBW X-Received: by 10.52.171.68 with SMTP id as4mr42544742vdc.0.1395654428250; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 02:47:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.86.194 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 02:46:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Robert Kjettrup Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 10:46:48 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Conversion to ProRes and CINEC To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6dbd9a6cf25f04f5571e4b --047d7b6dbd9a6cf25f04f5571e4b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I use Another GUI as Sean mentions too, but i sometimes also get the extra frames in the end of the ProRes file so i dont use it much. Another an new thing to consider is this QT codec: http://www.miraizon.com/products/codecsoverview.html $50 for a true QT codec that makes it possible to make ProRes directly from AE, AME and Premiere. I have not yet bought it, but it seems like good solution, hopefully without any issues :-) But more and more windows apps are getting ProRes support (Assimilate Scratch just announced it for v8) so maybe Apple is getting more relaxed with the license. Robert 2014-03-24 1:29 GMT+01:00 Mr. Eric D. Kirk : > Hey Sean, > > Thanks. Ideally, this is what I need anyway. I just want to be sure I > have a solution that really works and is consistent. I'd prefer to not > have to go buy a mac just for this unless absolutely necessary. > > So with this link, I see a slightly different user interface than the > CINEC one but isn't that back end of this thing still the same with the use > of the ffmpeg and all? > > I believe it's the same thing. So have you ever noticed it adding any > additional frames? It's really weird. I had 31 very small clips like > ranging from just 1 second to the longest being about 1 minute (most were a > couple seconds or so) and out of those 31, 29 converted perfectly, while > the other two added frames at the end. The front part was still fine but I > couldn't figure out why it added frames. > > I even re-rendered those from AE to see if that helped and they still > added the frames. No logic whatsoever to that. > > CINEC has a higher paid version which I would consider too if I knew it > was going to be flawless, just don't want to pay $100 and find it does the > same as the standard version. > > Appreciate the insight. > > Eric > > > On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Sean Kennedy wrote: > >> I also have a couple mac minis, but I don't have AE on them. On my main >> PC workstation, I use a free program called Another GUI to make prores >> files. It's really easy and totally free, and all on a PC. It doesn't even >> install anything. >> >> http://www.authorityfx.com/encoding-videos-in-prores-4444-on-windows/ >> >> Just another option. :) >> >> ------------------------------ >> To: AE-List@media-motion.tv >> From: teddygage@gmail.com >> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 14:00:39 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [AE] Conversion to ProRes and CINEC >> >> ah that was the wrong switch... this is the one >> >> >> http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-ProSafe-Gigabit-Ethernet-Desktop/dp/B0000BVYT3/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1395597607&sr=8-2&keywords=netgear+ethernet+switch >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: >> >> What Rik said, I'm pretty sure even a CS6 license will allow two installs >> as long as they are not simultaneous. I actually use FCP & compressor to >> automate the workflow with a Qmaster cluster, so I'm using all cores on my >> macbook pro and the mac mini at once - although this really works best for >> huge multi-clip encodes, as Qmaster is sort of finicky. >> >> I have two PC workstations, a mac mini, a macbook pro, and a standalone >> Synology NAS server with external backup, all hooked up to a 5 switch >> auto-uplink netgear hub (this one >> http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-ProSAFE-5-Port-Ethernet-Desktop/dp/B00002EQCW) >> at 1000 mbps which tops out around 115 MB per second between all machines, >> which is usually disk-limited. For really demanding stuff I have two 750 GB >> SSDs in RAID1 that get about 800 MB per second read/write on my main >> workstation. >> >> The mac mini can use bi-directional windows SMB file sharing and the NAS >> will read / write easily with mac or pc so it makes my studio platform >> agnostic. You don't even really need OSX server, 10.9 works just fine. >> There are a few small things you have to set up right between systems but >> it's way easier than it sounds. And everything gets archived to both the >> NAS and a bare external drive every night - I use the drives like tape >> storage for old projects, 1TB disks are pretty cheap these days. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:43 PM, rik bogusz wrote: >> >> with the cc subscription, two installs is authorized >> >> On Mar 23, 2014, at 10:09 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" < >> kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I guess the only problem with that is that I would have to have 2 >> licenses for AE wouldn't I? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:06 PM, rik bogusz wrote: >> >> I have a similar workflow, create/ render to 16bit .png sequence project >> on a windows machine. import .png folder to after effects on a Mac mini, >> (both machines on a gig Ethernet network) output to prores4444. >> >> On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:55 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" < >> kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Teddy, >> >> Thanks. So what is the workflow then for this? So, I get a mini mac >> (not sure what that is but will research) and then I presume you copy all >> your files to a USB drive from PC, plug in to mini mac and then? What are >> you using then for the conversion on the Mac? >> >> Thanks, >> Eric >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: >> >> I skip prores exports from PC altogether because of those issues, and >> either send DNxHD QTs direct or encode Prores from lossless files on my mac >> mini / MBP. I'd highly recommend a used recent mac mini as a standalone >> encoding device / server, it works great and speeds up workflow >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk < >> kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I've been using this thing now for a year or so with sort of mixed >> reviews. I sometimes get perfect conversions and then other times, it will >> add a white frame at the end or just slap on a random 5 frames or so of >> black. Has anyone had this problem? >> >> Is there an application out there that people have had better luck with? >> >> Thanks, >> Eric >> >> -- >> *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* >> *Hidden in the Woods | VFX* >> *The Night Visitor | VFX* >> *443.206.1347* >> >> *www.kirkproductions.com >> kirkproductions@gmail.com * >> *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >> * >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> _____________________________ >> VFX & Motion Graphic Artist >> teddygage dot com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* >> *Hidden in the Woods | VFX* >> *The Night Visitor | VFX* >> *443.206.1347* >> >> *www.kirkproductions.com >> kirkproductions@gmail.com >> * >> *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >> * >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* >> *Hidden in the Woods | VFX* >> *The Night Visitor | VFX* >> *443.206.1347* >> >> *www.kirkproductions.com >> kirkproductions@gmail.com >> * >> *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >> * >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> _____________________________ >> VFX & Motion Graphic Artist >> teddygage dot com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> _____________________________ >> VFX & Motion Graphic Artist >> teddygage dot com >> > > > > -- > *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* > *Hidden in the Woods | VFX* > *The Night Visitor | VFX* > *443.206.1347 <443.206.1347>* > > *www.kirkproductions.com > kirkproductions@gmail.com > * > *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ > * > > --047d7b6dbd9a6cf25f04f5571e4b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I use Another GUI as Sean mentions too, but i sometimes al= so get the extra frames in the end of the ProRes file so i dont use it much= .

Another an new thing to consider is this QT codec:

$50 for a true QT codec that makes it possible to make ProRes directl= y from AE, AME and Premiere. I have not yet bought it, but it seems like go= od solution, hopefully without any issues :-)

But more and more windows apps are getting ProRes suppo= rt (Assimilate Scratch just announced it for v8) so maybe Apple is getting = more relaxed with the license.

Robert=A0



2014-03-24 1:29 GMT+01:00= Mr. Eric D. Kirk <kirkproductions@gmail.com>:
Hey Sean,

Thanks. =A0Ideally, this is what I need anyway. =A0I just want to be sure= I have a solution that really works and is consistent. =A0I'd prefer t= o not have to go buy a mac just for this unless absolutely necessary.

So with this link, I see a slightly different user inte= rface than the CINEC one but isn't that back end of this thing still th= e same with the use of the ffmpeg and all?

I belie= ve it's the same thing. =A0So have you ever noticed it adding any addit= ional frames? =A0It's really weird. =A0I had 31 very small clips like r= anging from just 1 second to the longest being about 1 minute (most were a = couple seconds or so) and out of those 31, 29 converted perfectly, while th= e other two added frames at the end. =A0The front part was still fine but I= couldn't figure out why it added frames.

I even re-rendered those from AE to see if that helped = and they still added the frames. =A0No logic whatsoever to that.
=
CINEC has a higher paid version which I would consider too i= f I knew it was going to be flawless, just don't want to pay $100 and f= ind it does the same as the standard version.

Appreciate the insight.

Eric


On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Sean Kennedy <mack_dadd2@hotmail.com= > wrote:
I also have a couple mac minis, but I don't have = AE on them. On my main PC workstation, I use a free program called Another = GUI to make prores files. It's really easy and totally free, and all on= a PC. It doesn't even install anything.

http://www.authorityfx.com/encoding= -videos-in-prores-4444-on-windows/

Just another = option. :)

To: AE-List@media-motion.tv
From: teddygage@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 201= 4 14:00:39 -0400
Subject: Re: [AE] Conversion to ProRes and CINEC



On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Teddy Gage <= span dir=3D"ltr"><teddygage@gmail.com> wrote:
What Rik said, I'm pretty sure even a CS6 license wil= l allow two installs as long as they are not simultaneous. I actually use F= CP & compressor to automate the workflow with a Qmaster cluster, so I&#= 39;m using all cores on my macbook pro and the mac mini at once - although = this really works best for huge multi-clip encodes, as Qmaster is sort of f= inicky.=A0







On Sun= , Mar 23, 2014 at 1:43 PM, rik bogusz <rik.gaijin@mac.com> = wrote:
with the cc subscription, two installs is authorized

On Mar 23, 2014, at 10:09 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk"= <kirkpro= ductions@gmail.com> wrote:

I guess the only problem with t= hat is that I would have to have 2 licenses for AE wouldn't I?

=





On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:06 PM, rik bogusz <rik.gaijin@mac.com>= wrote:
I have a similar workflow, create/ render to 16bit .= png sequence project on a windows machine. import .png folder to after effe= cts on a Mac mini, (both machines on a gig Ethernet network) output to pror= es4444.

On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:55 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" <kirkproductions@= gmail.com> wrote:

Teddy,

Thanks. =A0So what is the workflow then for this?= =A0So, I get a mini mac (not sure what that is but will research) and then= I presume you copy all your files to a USB drive from PC, plug in to mini = mac and then? =A0What are you using then for the conversion on the Mac?

Thanks,
Eric


On Sun, Ma= r 23, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> w= rote:
I skip prores exports from PC altogether because of those issues, = and either send DNxHD QTs direct or encode Prores from lossless files on my= mac mini / MBP. I'd highly recommend a used recent mac mini as a stand= alone encoding device / server, it works great and speeds up workflow


On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

I've been using this thing now for a= year or so with sort of mixed reviews. =A0I sometimes get perfect conversi= ons and then other times, it will add a white frame at the end or just slap= on a random 5 frames or so of black. =A0Has anyone had this problem?

Is there an application out there that people have had = better luck with?

Thanks,
Eric

--
Eric D. Kirk |=A0Kirk Productions
Hidden in the Woods | VFX
The Night Vis= itor | VFX
=A0



--
_____________________________
VFX & M= otion Graphic Artist
teddygage dot com



--
Eric D. Kirk |=A0<= /b>Kirk Productions
Hidden in the Woods | VFX
The Night Visitor | VFX
=A0



--
Eric D. Kirk |=A0Kirk Productions
Hidd= en in the Woods | VFX
The Night Visitor | VFX
=A0



--
__________________= ___________
VFX & Motion Graphic Artist
teddygage dot com
=


--
_____________________________
VFX & Motion Graphic Artist
teddygage dot com



--
Eric D. Kirk |=A0Kirk Productions
Hidd= en in the Woods | VFX
The Night Visitor | VFX
=A0

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