Return-Path: Received: from mail-ig0-f171.google.com ([209.85.213.171] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5415042 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 11:22:01 +0100 Received: by mail-ig0-f171.google.com with SMTP id hl1so7296244igb.4 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 03:23:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=e44Wo0h0nTKPKheSsDbYhDD32HwWxd2O9zcql2XqNEc=; b=HHKawGPDmA4te+t3mDgavN4fhJ2HT0Oae/eARW/mCXQtxvB3mv0rFypyj3dDuKpl1d yUCCAk0M1aIysz38fZdOPgln4td7rU3b9/NkI2FlEMPMSPQ6EsvnuzEPk07tLiKG9aKI tbJl3Ulr/W4ZAEjTcrp3pcmuD+qSc4u0w0DF7A7cPsPG3aoIGSgJjFu15QRrspLRRFiO YDUwl8WGBgZJEjanXFKs9S7Zm2wguhqcEYBSnElDgBMcyx0HTIQbLoY+WFwkz+DAfkTN eqmVno8KAa7o7OFyCJE4wUACXq60A2CQpomsAjmY/gm9/tUcMxc6NHKox9Bwi3wekh0f wYCg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.64.17 with SMTP id e17mr50374382ici.26.1395656587944; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 03:23:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.122.67 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 03:23:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.122.67 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 03:23:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 06:23:07 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Conversion to ProRes and CINEC From: "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba3fcdab2729a304f5579f9e --90e6ba3fcdab2729a304f5579f9e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Robert, Glad someone else has finally confirmed the extra frame thing. Now this is the solution! I will review the info but at first glance, this is the answer and right from AE too! Thanks! Eric On Mar 24, 2014 5:49 AM, "Robert Kjettrup" wrote: > I use Another GUI as Sean mentions too, but i sometimes also get the extra > frames in the end of the ProRes file so i dont use it much. > > Another an new thing to consider is this QT codec: > http://www.miraizon.com/products/codecsoverview.html > > $50 for a true QT codec that makes it possible to make ProRes directly > from AE, AME and Premiere. I have not yet bought it, but it seems like good > solution, hopefully without any issues :-) > > But more and more windows apps are getting ProRes support (Assimilate > Scratch just announced it for v8) so maybe Apple is getting more relaxed > with the license. > > Robert > > > > 2014-03-24 1:29 GMT+01:00 Mr. Eric D. Kirk : > >> Hey Sean, >> >> Thanks. Ideally, this is what I need anyway. I just want to be sure I >> have a solution that really works and is consistent. I'd prefer to not >> have to go buy a mac just for this unless absolutely necessary. >> >> So with this link, I see a slightly different user interface than the >> CINEC one but isn't that back end of this thing still the same with the use >> of the ffmpeg and all? >> >> I believe it's the same thing. So have you ever noticed it adding any >> additional frames? It's really weird. I had 31 very small clips like >> ranging from just 1 second to the longest being about 1 minute (most were a >> couple seconds or so) and out of those 31, 29 converted perfectly, while >> the other two added frames at the end. The front part was still fine but I >> couldn't figure out why it added frames. >> >> I even re-rendered those from AE to see if that helped and they still >> added the frames. No logic whatsoever to that. >> >> CINEC has a higher paid version which I would consider too if I knew it >> was going to be flawless, just don't want to pay $100 and find it does the >> same as the standard version. >> >> Appreciate the insight. >> >> Eric >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Sean Kennedy wrote: >> >>> I also have a couple mac minis, but I don't have AE on them. On my main >>> PC workstation, I use a free program called Another GUI to make prores >>> files. It's really easy and totally free, and all on a PC. It doesn't even >>> install anything. >>> >>> http://www.authorityfx.com/encoding-videos-in-prores-4444-on-windows/ >>> >>> Just another option. :) >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> To: AE-List@media-motion.tv >>> From: teddygage@gmail.com >>> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 14:00:39 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [AE] Conversion to ProRes and CINEC >>> >>> ah that was the wrong switch... this is the one >>> >>> >>> http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-ProSafe-Gigabit-Ethernet-Desktop/dp/B0000BVYT3/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1395597607&sr=8-2&keywords=netgear+ethernet+switch >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: >>> >>> What Rik said, I'm pretty sure even a CS6 license will allow two >>> installs as long as they are not simultaneous. I actually use FCP & >>> compressor to automate the workflow with a Qmaster cluster, so I'm using >>> all cores on my macbook pro and the mac mini at once - although this really >>> works best for huge multi-clip encodes, as Qmaster is sort of finicky. >>> >>> I have two PC workstations, a mac mini, a macbook pro, and a standalone >>> Synology NAS server with external backup, all hooked up to a 5 switch >>> auto-uplink netgear hub (this one >>> http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-ProSAFE-5-Port-Ethernet-Desktop/dp/B00002EQCW) >>> at 1000 mbps which tops out around 115 MB per second between all machines, >>> which is usually disk-limited. For really demanding stuff I have two 750 GB >>> SSDs in RAID1 that get about 800 MB per second read/write on my main >>> workstation. >>> >>> The mac mini can use bi-directional windows SMB file sharing and the NAS >>> will read / write easily with mac or pc so it makes my studio platform >>> agnostic. You don't even really need OSX server, 10.9 works just fine. >>> There are a few small things you have to set up right between systems but >>> it's way easier than it sounds. And everything gets archived to both the >>> NAS and a bare external drive every night - I use the drives like tape >>> storage for old projects, 1TB disks are pretty cheap these days. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:43 PM, rik bogusz wrote: >>> >>> with the cc subscription, two installs is authorized >>> >>> On Mar 23, 2014, at 10:09 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" < >>> kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I guess the only problem with that is that I would have to have 2 >>> licenses for AE wouldn't I? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:06 PM, rik bogusz wrote: >>> >>> I have a similar workflow, create/ render to 16bit .png sequence project >>> on a windows machine. import .png folder to after effects on a Mac mini, >>> (both machines on a gig Ethernet network) output to prores4444. >>> >>> On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:55 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" < >>> kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Teddy, >>> >>> Thanks. So what is the workflow then for this? So, I get a mini mac >>> (not sure what that is but will research) and then I presume you copy all >>> your files to a USB drive from PC, plug in to mini mac and then? What are >>> you using then for the conversion on the Mac? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Eric >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: >>> >>> I skip prores exports from PC altogether because of those issues, and >>> either send DNxHD QTs direct or encode Prores from lossless files on my mac >>> mini / MBP. I'd highly recommend a used recent mac mini as a standalone >>> encoding device / server, it works great and speeds up workflow >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk < >>> kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I've been using this thing now for a year or so with sort of mixed >>> reviews. I sometimes get perfect conversions and then other times, it will >>> add a white frame at the end or just slap on a random 5 frames or so of >>> black. Has anyone had this problem? >>> >>> Is there an application out there that people have had better luck with? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Eric >>> >>> -- >>> *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* >>> *Hidden in the Woods | VFX* >>> *The Night Visitor | VFX* >>> *443.206.1347* >>> >>> *www.kirkproductions.com >>> kirkproductions@gmail.com * >>> *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >>> * >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> _____________________________ >>> VFX & Motion Graphic Artist >>> teddygage dot com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* >>> *Hidden in the Woods | VFX* >>> *The Night Visitor | VFX* >>> *443.206.1347* >>> >>> *www.kirkproductions.com >>> kirkproductions@gmail.com >>> * >>> *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >>> * >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* >>> *Hidden in the Woods | VFX* >>> *The Night Visitor | VFX* >>> *443.206.1347* >>> >>> *www.kirkproductions.com >>> kirkproductions@gmail.com >>> * >>> *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >>> * >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> _____________________________ >>> VFX & Motion Graphic Artist >>> teddygage dot com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> _____________________________ >>> VFX & Motion Graphic Artist >>> teddygage dot com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* >> *Hidden in the Woods | VFX* >> *The Night Visitor | VFX* >> *443.206.1347 <443.206.1347>* >> >> *www.kirkproductions.com >> kirkproductions@gmail.com >> * >> *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >> * >> >> > > --90e6ba3fcdab2729a304f5579f9e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Robert,

Glad someone else has finally confirmed the extra frame thin= g.

Now this is the solution!=A0 I will review the info but at f= irst glance, this is the answer and right from AE too!

Thanks!

Eric

On Mar 24, 2014 5:49 AM, "Robert Kjettrup&q= uot; <robert@stvmayday.dk>= wrote:
I use Another GUI as Sean mentions too, but i sometimes al= so get the extra frames in the end of the ProRes file so i dont use it much= .

Another an new thing to consider is this QT codec:
http://www.miraizon.com/products/codecsoverview.html

$50 for a true QT codec that makes it possible to m= ake ProRes directly from AE, AME and Premiere. I have not yet bought it, bu= t it seems like good solution, hopefully without any issues :-)

But more and more windows apps are getting ProRes suppo= rt (Assimilate Scratch just announced it for v8) so maybe Apple is getting = more relaxed with the license.

Robert=A0



2014-03-24 1:29 GMT+01:00= Mr. Eric D. Kirk <kirkproductions@gmail.com>:
Hey Sean,

Thanks. =A0Ideally, this is what I need anyway. =A0I just want to be sure= I have a solution that really works and is consistent. =A0I'd prefer t= o not have to go buy a mac just for this unless absolutely necessary.

So with this link, I see a slightly different user inte= rface than the CINEC one but isn't that back end of this thing still th= e same with the use of the ffmpeg and all?

I belie= ve it's the same thing. =A0So have you ever noticed it adding any addit= ional frames? =A0It's really weird. =A0I had 31 very small clips like r= anging from just 1 second to the longest being about 1 minute (most were a = couple seconds or so) and out of those 31, 29 converted perfectly, while th= e other two added frames at the end. =A0The front part was still fine but I= couldn't figure out why it added frames.

I even re-rendered those from AE to see if that helped = and they still added the frames. =A0No logic whatsoever to that.
=
CINEC has a higher paid version which I would consider too i= f I knew it was going to be flawless, just don't want to pay $100 and f= ind it does the same as the standard version.

Appreciate the insight.

Eric


On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Sean Kennedy <mack_dadd2@hotmail.com= > wrote:
I also have a couple mac minis, but I don't have = AE on them. On my main PC workstation, I use a free program called Another = GUI to make prores files. It's really easy and totally free, and all on= a PC. It doesn't even install anything.

http://www.authorityfx.com/encoding= -videos-in-prores-4444-on-windows/

Just another = option. :)

To: AE-List@media-motion.tv
From: teddygage@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 201= 4 14:00:39 -0400
Subject: Re: [AE] Conversion to ProRes and CINEC



On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Teddy Gage <= span dir=3D"ltr"><teddygage@gmail.com> wrote:
What Rik said, I'm pretty sure even a CS6 license wil= l allow two installs as long as they are not simultaneous. I actually use F= CP & compressor to automate the workflow with a Qmaster cluster, so I&#= 39;m using all cores on my macbook pro and the mac mini at once - although = this really works best for huge multi-clip encodes, as Qmaster is sort of f= inicky.=A0







On Sun= , Mar 23, 2014 at 1:43 PM, rik bogusz <rik.gaijin@mac.com> = wrote:
with the cc subscription, two installs is authorized

On Mar 23, 2014, at 10:09 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk"= <kirkpro= ductions@gmail.com> wrote:

I guess the only problem with t= hat is that I would have to have 2 licenses for AE wouldn't I?

=





On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:06 PM, rik bogusz <rik.gaijin@mac.com>= wrote:
I have a similar workflow, create/ render to 16bit .= png sequence project on a windows machine. import .png folder to after effe= cts on a Mac mini, (both machines on a gig Ethernet network) output to pror= es4444.

On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:55 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" <kirkproductions@= gmail.com> wrote:

Teddy,

Thanks. =A0So what is the workflow then for this?= =A0So, I get a mini mac (not sure what that is but will research) and then= I presume you copy all your files to a USB drive from PC, plug in to mini = mac and then? =A0What are you using then for the conversion on the Mac?

Thanks,
Eric


On Sun, Ma= r 23, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> w= rote:
I skip prores exports from PC altogether because of those issues, = and either send DNxHD QTs direct or encode Prores from lossless files on my= mac mini / MBP. I'd highly recommend a used recent mac mini as a stand= alone encoding device / server, it works great and speeds up workflow


On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

I've been using this thing now for a= year or so with sort of mixed reviews. =A0I sometimes get perfect conversi= ons and then other times, it will add a white frame at the end or just slap= on a random 5 frames or so of black. =A0Has anyone had this problem?

Is there an application out there that people have had = better luck with?

Thanks,
Eric

--
Eric D. Kirk |=A0Kirk Productions
Hidden in the Woods | VFX
The Night Vis= itor | VFX
=A0



--
_____________________________
VFX & M= otion Graphic Artist
teddygage dot com



--
Eric D. Kirk |=A0<= /b>Kirk Productions
Hidden in the Woods | VFX
The Night Visitor | VFX
=A0



--
Eric D. Kirk |=A0Kirk Productions
Hidd= en in the Woods | VFX
The Night Visitor | VFX
=A0



--
__________________= ___________
VFX & Motion Graphic Artist
teddygage dot com
=


--
_____________________________
VFX & Motion Graphic Artist
teddygage dot com



--
Eric D. Kirk |=A0Kirk Productions
Hidd= en in the Woods | VFX
The Night Visitor | VFX
=A0

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