Mailing List AE-List@media-motion.tv ? Message #53367
From: Carey Dissmore <carey@imugonline.com>
Subject: Re: [AE] Conversion to ProRes and CINEC
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 07:52:17 -0500
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
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Apple has a list of licensed, supported Prores codec uses on their website. 
Scratch and Episode Engine are on the list, the others are not.
Clearly they are imposing terms to essentially restrict it’s Windows use to the most expensive, less-likely-to-compete products.
…at least that’s what one can infer from watching the space with interest.

All other uses are unsupported hacks. They might kinda work, but I wouldn’t bet my business on them.

carey

On Mar 24, 2014, at 5:23 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote:

Robert,

Glad someone else has finally confirmed the extra frame thing.

Now this is the solution!  I will review the info but at first glance, this is the answer and right from AE too!

Thanks!

Eric

On Mar 24, 2014 5:49 AM, "Robert Kjettrup" <robert@stvmayday.dk> wrote:
I use Another GUI as Sean mentions too, but i sometimes also get the extra frames in the end of the ProRes file so i dont use it much.

Another an new thing to consider is this QT codec:

$50 for a true QT codec that makes it possible to make ProRes directly from AE, AME and Premiere. I have not yet bought it, but it seems like good solution, hopefully without any issues :-)

But more and more windows apps are getting ProRes support (Assimilate Scratch just announced it for v8) so maybe Apple is getting more relaxed with the license.

Robert 



2014-03-24 1:29 GMT+01:00 Mr. Eric D. Kirk <kirkproductions@gmail.com>:
Hey Sean,

Thanks.  Ideally, this is what I need anyway.  I just want to be sure I have a solution that really works and is consistent.  I'd prefer to not have to go buy a mac just for this unless absolutely necessary.

So with this link, I see a slightly different user interface than the CINEC one but isn't that back end of this thing still the same with the use of the ffmpeg and all?

I believe it's the same thing.  So have you ever noticed it adding any additional frames?  It's really weird.  I had 31 very small clips like ranging from just 1 second to the longest being about 1 minute (most were a couple seconds or so) and out of those 31, 29 converted perfectly, while the other two added frames at the end.  The front part was still fine but I couldn't figure out why it added frames.

I even re-rendered those from AE to see if that helped and they still added the frames.  No logic whatsoever to that.

CINEC has a higher paid version which I would consider too if I knew it was going to be flawless, just don't want to pay $100 and find it does the same as the standard version.

Appreciate the insight.

Eric


On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Sean Kennedy <mack_dadd2@hotmail.com> wrote:
I also have a couple mac minis, but I don't have AE on them. On my main PC workstation, I use a free program called Another GUI to make prores files. It's really easy and totally free, and all on a PC. It doesn't even install anything.

http://www.authorityfx.com/encoding-videos-in-prores-4444-on-windows/

Just another option. :)

To: AE-List@media-motion.tv
From: teddygage@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 14:00:39 -0400
Subject: Re: [AE] Conversion to ProRes and CINEC



On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> wrote:
What Rik said, I'm pretty sure even a CS6 license will allow two installs as long as they are not simultaneous. I actually use FCP & compressor to automate the workflow with a Qmaster cluster, so I'm using all cores on my macbook pro and the mac mini at once - although this really works best for huge multi-clip encodes, as Qmaster is sort of finicky. 

I have two PC workstations, a mac mini, a macbook pro, and a standalone Synology NAS server with external backup, all hooked up to a 5 switch auto-uplink netgear hub (this one http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-ProSAFE-5-Port-Ethernet-Desktop/dp/B00002EQCW) at 1000 mbps which tops out around 115 MB per second between all machines, which is usually disk-limited. For really demanding stuff I have two 750 GB SSDs in RAID1 that get about 800 MB per second read/write on my main workstation.

The mac mini can use bi-directional windows SMB file sharing and the NAS will read / write easily with mac or pc so it makes my studio platform agnostic. You don't even really need OSX server, 10.9 works just fine. There are a few small things you have to set up right between systems but it's way easier than it sounds. And everything gets archived to both the NAS and a bare external drive every night - I use the drives like tape storage for old projects, 1TB disks are pretty cheap these days. 





On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:43 PM, rik bogusz <rik.gaijin@mac.com> wrote:
with the cc subscription, two installs is authorized

On Mar 23, 2014, at 10:09 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" <kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote:

I guess the only problem with that is that I would have to have 2 licenses for AE wouldn't I?






On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:06 PM, rik bogusz <rik.gaijin@mac.com> wrote:
I have a similar workflow, create/ render to 16bit .png sequence project on a windows machine. import .png folder to after effects on a Mac mini, (both machines on a gig Ethernet network) output to prores4444.

On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:55 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" <kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote:

Teddy,

Thanks.  So what is the workflow then for this?  So, I get a mini mac (not sure what that is but will research) and then I presume you copy all your files to a USB drive from PC, plug in to mini mac and then?  What are you using then for the conversion on the Mac?

Thanks,
Eric


On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> wrote:
I skip prores exports from PC altogether because of those issues, and either send DNxHD QTs direct or encode Prores from lossless files on my mac mini / MBP. I'd highly recommend a used recent mac mini as a standalone encoding device / server, it works great and speeds up workflow


On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

I've been using this thing now for a year or so with sort of mixed reviews.  I sometimes get perfect conversions and then other times, it will add a white frame at the end or just slap on a random 5 frames or so of black.  Has anyone had this problem?

Is there an application out there that people have had better luck with?

Thanks,
Eric

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Hidden in the Woods | VFX
The Night Visitor | VFX
 



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Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions
Hidden in the Woods | VFX
The Night Visitor | VFX
 



--
Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions
Hidden in the Woods | VFX
The Night Visitor | VFX
 



--
_____________________________
VFX & Motion Graphic Artist
teddygage dot com



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_____________________________
VFX & Motion Graphic Artist
teddygage dot com



--
Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions
Hidden in the Woods | VFX
The Night Visitor | VFX
 


 
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