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[24.118.184.204]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ii8sm23052672obb.11.2014.03.24.05.59.34 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 24 Mar 2014 05:59:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Carey Dissmore Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1480CCA9-E654-445D-8A59-0B45E973C705" Message-Id: <78D6FB22-9D5A-44EC-8619-9A5246AED044@imugonline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) Subject: Re: [AE] Conversion to ProRes and CINEC Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 07:59:32 -0500 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) --Apple-Mail=_1480CCA9-E654-445D-8A59-0B45E973C705 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Sorry forgot the link! http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5959 Carey On Mar 24, 2014, at 7:52 AM, Carey Dissmore = wrote: > Apple has a list of licensed, supported Prores codec uses on their = website.=20 > Scratch and Episode Engine are on the list, the others are not. > Clearly they are imposing terms to essentially restrict it=92s Windows = use to the most expensive, less-likely-to-compete products. > =85at least that=92s what one can infer from watching the space with = interest. >=20 > All other uses are unsupported hacks. They might kinda work, but I = wouldn=92t bet my business on them. >=20 > carey >=20 > On Mar 24, 2014, at 5:23 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk = wrote: >=20 >> Robert, >>=20 >> Glad someone else has finally confirmed the extra frame thing. >>=20 >> Now this is the solution! I will review the info but at first = glance, this is the answer and right from AE too! >>=20 >> Thanks! >>=20 >> Eric >>=20 >> On Mar 24, 2014 5:49 AM, "Robert Kjettrup" = wrote: >> I use Another GUI as Sean mentions too, but i sometimes also get the = extra frames in the end of the ProRes file so i dont use it much. >>=20 >> Another an new thing to consider is this QT codec: >> http://www.miraizon.com/products/codecsoverview.html >>=20 >> $50 for a true QT codec that makes it possible to make ProRes = directly from AE, AME and Premiere. I have not yet bought it, but it = seems like good solution, hopefully without any issues :-) >>=20 >> But more and more windows apps are getting ProRes support (Assimilate = Scratch just announced it for v8) so maybe Apple is getting more relaxed = with the license. >>=20 >> Robert=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> 2014-03-24 1:29 GMT+01:00 Mr. Eric D. Kirk = : >> Hey Sean, >>=20 >> Thanks. Ideally, this is what I need anyway. I just want to be sure = I have a solution that really works and is consistent. I'd prefer to = not have to go buy a mac just for this unless absolutely necessary. >>=20 >> So with this link, I see a slightly different user interface than the = CINEC one but isn't that back end of this thing still the same with the = use of the ffmpeg and all? >>=20 >> I believe it's the same thing. So have you ever noticed it adding = any additional frames? It's really weird. I had 31 very small clips = like ranging from just 1 second to the longest being about 1 minute = (most were a couple seconds or so) and out of those 31, 29 converted = perfectly, while the other two added frames at the end. The front part = was still fine but I couldn't figure out why it added frames. >>=20 >> I even re-rendered those from AE to see if that helped and they still = added the frames. No logic whatsoever to that. >>=20 >> CINEC has a higher paid version which I would consider too if I knew = it was going to be flawless, just don't want to pay $100 and find it = does the same as the standard version. >>=20 >> Appreciate the insight. >>=20 >> Eric >>=20 >>=20 >> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Sean Kennedy = wrote: >> I also have a couple mac minis, but I don't have AE on them. On my = main PC workstation, I use a free program called Another GUI to make = prores files. It's really easy and totally free, and all on a PC. It = doesn't even install anything. >>=20 >> http://www.authorityfx.com/encoding-videos-in-prores-4444-on-windows/ >>=20 >> Just another option. :) >>=20 >> To: AE-List@media-motion.tv >> From: teddygage@gmail.com >> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 14:00:39 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [AE] Conversion to ProRes and CINEC >>=20 >> ah that was the wrong switch... this is the one=20 >>=20 >> = http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-ProSafe-Gigabit-Ethernet-Desktop/dp/B0000BVY= T3/ref=3Dsr_1_2?ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1395597607&sr=3D8-2&keywords=3Dnetgear+eth= ernet+switch >>=20 >>=20 >> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Teddy Gage = wrote: >> What Rik said, I'm pretty sure even a CS6 license will allow two = installs as long as they are not simultaneous. I actually use FCP & = compressor to automate the workflow with a Qmaster cluster, so I'm using = all cores on my macbook pro and the mac mini at once - although this = really works best for huge multi-clip encodes, as Qmaster is sort of = finicky.=20 >>=20 >> I have two PC workstations, a mac mini, a macbook pro, and a = standalone Synology NAS server with external backup, all hooked up to a = 5 switch auto-uplink netgear hub (this one = http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-ProSAFE-5-Port-Ethernet-Desktop/dp/B00002EQC= W) at 1000 mbps which tops out around 115 MB per second between all = machines, which is usually disk-limited. For really demanding stuff I = have two 750 GB SSDs in RAID1 that get about 800 MB per second = read/write on my main workstation. >>=20 >> The mac mini can use bi-directional windows SMB file sharing and the = NAS will read / write easily with mac or pc so it makes my studio = platform agnostic. You don't even really need OSX server, 10.9 works = just fine. There are a few small things you have to set up right between = systems but it's way easier than it sounds. And everything gets archived = to both the NAS and a bare external drive every night - I use the drives = like tape storage for old projects, 1TB disks are pretty cheap these = days.=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:43 PM, rik bogusz = wrote: >> with the cc subscription, two installs is authorized >>=20 >> On Mar 23, 2014, at 10:09 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" = wrote: >>=20 >> I guess the only problem with that is that I would have to have 2 = licenses for AE wouldn't I? >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:06 PM, rik bogusz = wrote: >> I have a similar workflow, create/ render to 16bit .png sequence = project on a windows machine. import .png folder to after effects on a = Mac mini, (both machines on a gig Ethernet network) output to = prores4444. >>=20 >> On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:55 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" = wrote: >>=20 >> Teddy, >>=20 >> Thanks. So what is the workflow then for this? So, I get a mini mac = (not sure what that is but will research) and then I presume you copy = all your files to a USB drive from PC, plug in to mini mac and then? = What are you using then for the conversion on the Mac? >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Eric >>=20 >>=20 >> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Teddy Gage = wrote: >> I skip prores exports from PC altogether because of those issues, and = either send DNxHD QTs direct or encode Prores from lossless files on my = mac mini / MBP. I'd highly recommend a used recent mac mini as a = standalone encoding device / server, it works great and speeds up = workflow >>=20 >>=20 >> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk = wrote: >> Hello, >>=20 >> I've been using this thing now for a year or so with sort of mixed = reviews. I sometimes get perfect conversions and then other times, it = will add a white frame at the end or just slap on a random 5 frames or = so of black. Has anyone had this problem? >>=20 >> Is there an application out there that people have had better luck = with? >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Eric >>=20 >> --=20 >> Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions >> Hidden in the Woods | VFX >> The Night Visitor | VFX >> 443.206.1347 >> www.kirkproductions.com >> kirkproductions@gmail.com >> IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >> =20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> _____________________________ >> VFX & Motion Graphic Artist >> teddygage dot com >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions >> Hidden in the Woods | VFX >> The Night Visitor | VFX >> 443.206.1347 >> www.kirkproductions.com >> kirkproductions@gmail.com >> IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >> =20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions >> Hidden in the Woods | VFX >> The Night Visitor | VFX >> 443.206.1347 >> www.kirkproductions.com >> kirkproductions@gmail.com >> IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >> =20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> _____________________________ >> VFX & Motion Graphic Artist >> teddygage dot com >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> _____________________________ >> VFX & Motion Graphic Artist >> teddygage dot com >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions >> Hidden in the Woods | VFX >> The Night Visitor | VFX >> 443.206.1347 >> www.kirkproductions.com >> kirkproductions@gmail.com >> IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >> =20 >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_1480CCA9-E654-445D-8A59-0B45E973C705 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Sorry = forgot the link!

Carey

On Mar 24, 2014, at 7:52 AM, Carey Dissmore <carey@imugonline.com> = wrote:

Apple = has a list of licensed, supported Prores codec uses on their = website. 
Scratch and Episode Engine are on the list, the = others are not.
Clearly they are imposing terms to essentially = restrict it=92s Windows use to the most expensive, = less-likely-to-compete products.
=85at least that=92s what one = can infer from watching the space with = interest.

All other uses are unsupported hacks. = They might kinda work, but I wouldn=92t bet my business on = them.

carey

On Mar 24, = 2014, at 5:23 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <kirkproductions@gmail.com>= ; wrote:

Robert,

Glad someone else = has finally confirmed the extra frame thing.

Now this = is the solution!  I will review the info but at first glance, this = is the answer and right from AE too!

Thanks!

Eric

On Mar 24, 2014 5:49 AM, "Robert Kjettrup" = <robert@stvmayday.dk> = wrote:
I use Another GUI as Sean mentions too, but i sometimes = also get the extra frames in the end of the ProRes file so i dont use it = much.

Another an new thing to consider is this QT = codec:

$50 for a true QT codec that makes it = possible to make ProRes directly from AE, AME and Premiere. I have not = yet bought it, but it seems like good solution, hopefully without any = issues :-)

But more and more windows apps are getting ProRes = support (Assimilate Scratch just announced it for v8) so maybe Apple is = getting more relaxed with the license.

Robert 



2014-03-24 = 1:29 GMT+01:00 Mr. Eric D. Kirk <kirkproductions@gmail.com>:
Hey = Sean,

Thanks.  Ideally, this is what I need = anyway.  I just want to be sure I have a solution that really works = and is consistent.  I'd prefer to not have to go buy a mac just for = this unless absolutely necessary.

So with this link, I see a slightly different user = interface than the CINEC one but isn't that back end of this thing still = the same with the use of the ffmpeg and all?

I = believe it's the same thing.  So have you ever noticed it adding = any additional frames?  It's really weird.  I had 31 very = small clips like ranging from just 1 second to the longest being about 1 = minute (most were a couple seconds or so) and out of those 31, 29 = converted perfectly, while the other two added frames at the end. =  The front part was still fine but I couldn't figure out why it = added frames.

I even re-rendered those from AE to see if that = helped and they still added the frames.  No logic whatsoever to = that.

CINEC has a higher paid version which I = would consider too if I knew it was going to be flawless, just don't = want to pay $100 and find it does the same as the standard = version.

Appreciate the insight.

Eric


On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Sean Kennedy <mack_dadd2@hotmail.com> wrote:
I also have a couple mac minis, but I don't have = AE on them. On my main PC workstation, I use a free program called = Another GUI to make prores files. It's really easy and totally free, and = all on a PC. It doesn't even install anything.

http://www.authorityfx.com/encoding-videos-in-prores-444= 4-on-windows/

Just another option. :)

To: AE-List@media-motion.tv
From: teddygage@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 = 14:00:39 -0400
Subject: Re: [AE] Conversion to ProRes and CINEC



On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Teddy = Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> wrote:
What Rik said, I'm pretty sure even a CS6 license will allow = two installs as long as they are not simultaneous. I actually use FCP = & compressor to automate the workflow with a Qmaster cluster, so I'm = using all cores on my macbook pro and the mac mini at once - although = this really works best for huge multi-clip encodes, as Qmaster is sort = of finicky. 

I have two PC workstations, a mac mini, a macbook pro, = and a standalone Synology NAS server with external backup, all hooked up = to a 5 switch auto-uplink netgear hub (this one http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-ProSAFE-5-Port-Ethernet-De= sktop/dp/B00002EQCW) at 1000 mbps which tops out around 115 MB per = second between all machines, which is usually disk-limited. For really = demanding stuff I have two 750 GB SSDs in RAID1 that get about 800 MB = per second read/write on my main workstation.

The mac mini can use bi-directional windows = SMB file sharing and the NAS will read / write easily with mac or pc so = it makes my studio platform agnostic. You don't even really need OSX = server, 10.9 works just fine. There are a few small things you have to = set up right between systems but it's way easier than it sounds. And = everything gets archived to both the NAS and a bare external drive every = night - I use the drives like tape storage for old projects, 1TB disks = are pretty cheap these days. 





On = Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:43 PM, rik bogusz <rik.gaijin@mac.com> wrote:
with the cc subscription, two installs is = authorized

On Mar 23, 2014, at 10:09 AM, "Mr. Eric D. = Kirk" <kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote:

I guess the only problem with = that is that I would have to have 2 licenses for AE wouldn't = I?






On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:06 PM, rik bogusz <rik.gaijin@mac.com> = wrote:
I have a similar workflow, create/ render to = 16bit .png sequence project on a windows machine. import .png folder to = after effects on a Mac mini, (both machines on a gig Ethernet network) = output to prores4444.

On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:55 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" <kirkproductions@gmail.com> = wrote:

Teddy,

Thanks.  So what is the workflow then for = this?  So, I get a mini mac (not sure what that is but will = research) and then I presume you copy all your files to a USB drive from = PC, plug in to mini mac and then?  What are you using then for the = conversion on the Mac?

Thanks,
Eric


On Sun, = Mar 23, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> wrote:
I skip prores exports from PC altogether because of those = issues, and either send DNxHD QTs direct or encode Prores from lossless = files on my mac mini / MBP. I'd highly recommend a used recent mac mini = as a standalone encoding device / server, it works great and speeds up = workflow


On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk = <kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

I've been using this thing now for = a year or so with sort of mixed reviews.  I sometimes get perfect = conversions and then other times, it will add a white frame at the end = or just slap on a random 5 frames or so of black.  Has anyone had = this problem?

Is there an application out there that people have = had better luck = with?

Thanks,
Eric

--
Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions
Hidden in the Woods | VFX
The Night = Visitor | = VFX
 



--
_____________________________
VFX = & Motion Graphic Artist
teddygage dot com



--
Eric D. = Kirk | Kirk Productions
Hidden in the Woods = | VFX
The Night Visitor | VFX
 



--
Eric D. Kirk | Kirk = Productions
Hidden in the Woods | = VFX
The Night Visitor | VFX
 



--
_____________________________
VFX & Motion = Graphic Artist
teddygage dot com



--
_____________________________
VFX & Motion = Graphic Artist
teddygage dot com
=



--
Eric D. Kirk | Kirk = Productions
Hidden in the Woods | = VFX
The Night Visitor | VFX
 

=


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