Return-Path: Received: from col0-omc2-s8.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.82] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5415586 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 01:26:04 +0100 Received: from COL127-W10 ([65.55.34.71]) by col0-omc2-s8.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 24 Mar 2014 17:27:12 -0700 X-TMN: [KrzgRgZh5kG6+al58hGPYCWqf2f6Vrbo] X-Originating-Email: [mack_dadd2@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: mack_dadd2@hotmail.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_0d16b768-e6e9-4380-9086-3cc41d9ac7bd_" From: Sean Kennedy To: AE List Subject: RE: [AE] Conversion to ProRes and CINEC Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 17:27:11 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Mar 2014 00:27:12.0509 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7491AD0:01CF47C0] --_0d16b768-e6e9-4380-9086-3cc41d9ac7bd_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Once the codec is installed=2C does it simply give you that option in the o= utput module? It can do both 4.2.2 and 4.4.4? To: AE-List@media-motion.tv From: kirkproductions@gmail.com Date: Mon=2C 24 Mar 2014 20:19:37 -0400 Subject: Re: [AE] Conversion to ProRes and CINEC Robert=2C This one worked like a champ! That's what I needed. It has all the requir= ed settings and renders direct from AE. Win win situation here. :) Well worth the $50 to have that straight forward process.=0A= =0A= Highly encourage this one for anyone else fiddle-f=3Bing around with Window= s and PorRes. lol Eric On Mon=2C Mar 24=2C 2014 at 5:46 AM=2C Robert Kjettrup wrote: =0A= =0A= I use Another GUI as Sean mentions too=2C but i sometimes also get the extr= a frames in the end of the ProRes file so i dont use it much.=0A= =0A= Another an new thing to consider is this QT codec:=0A= =0A= http://www.miraizon.com/products/codecsoverview.html $50 for a true QT codec that makes it possible to make ProRes directly from= AE=2C AME and Premiere. I have not yet bought it=2C but it seems like good= solution=2C hopefully without any issues :-)=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= But more and more windows apps are getting ProRes support (Assimilate Scrat= ch just announced it for v8) so maybe Apple is getting more relaxed with th= e license. =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Robert=20 2014-03-24 1:29 GMT+01:00 Mr. Eric D. Kirk : =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Hey Sean=2C Thanks. Ideally=2C this is what I need anyway. I just want to be sure I h= ave a solution that really works and is consistent. I'd prefer to not have= to go buy a mac just for this unless absolutely necessary.=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= So with this link=2C I see a slightly different user interface than the CIN= EC one but isn't that back end of this thing still the same with the use of= the ffmpeg and all? I believe it's the same thing. So have you ever noticed it adding any addi= tional frames? It's really weird. I had 31 very small clips like ranging = from just 1 second to the longest being about 1 minute (most were a couple = seconds or so) and out of those 31=2C 29 converted perfectly=2C while the o= ther two added frames at the end. The front part was still fine but I coul= dn't figure out why it added frames.=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= I even re-rendered those from AE to see if that helped and they still added= the frames. No logic whatsoever to that. CINEC has a higher paid version which I would consider too if I knew it was= going to be flawless=2C just don't want to pay $100 and find it does the s= ame as the standard version.=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Appreciate the insight. Eric =0A= =0A= On Sun=2C Mar 23=2C 2014 at 5:41 PM=2C Sean Kennedy wrote: =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= I also have a couple mac minis=2C but I don't have AE on them. On my main P= C workstation=2C I use a free program called Another GUI to make prores fil= es. It's really easy and totally free=2C and all on a PC. It doesn't even i= nstall anything.=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= http://www.authorityfx.com/encoding-videos-in-prores-4444-on-windows/ Just another option. :)=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= To: AE-List@media-motion.tv From: teddygage@gmail.com Date: Sun=2C 23 Mar 2014 14:00:39 -0400 =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Subject: Re: [AE] Conversion to ProRes and CINEC ah that was the wrong switch... this is the one=20 http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-ProSafe-Gigabit-Ethernet-Desktop/dp/B0000BVYT= 3/ref=3Dsr_1_2?ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1395597607&sr=3D8-2&keywords=3Dnetgear+ether= net+switch =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= On Sun=2C Mar 23=2C 2014 at 1:55 PM=2C Teddy Gage wro= te: =0A= =0A= What Rik said=2C I'm pretty sure even a CS6 license will allow two installs= as long as they are not simultaneous. I actually use FCP & compressor to a= utomate the workflow with a Qmaster cluster=2C so I'm using all cores on my= macbook pro and the mac mini at once - although this really works best for= huge multi-clip encodes=2C as Qmaster is sort of finicky. =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= I have two PC workstations=2C a mac mini=2C a macbook pro=2C and a standalo= ne Synology NAS server with external backup=2C all hooked up to a 5 switch = auto-uplink netgear hub (this one http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-ProSAFE-5-P= ort-Ethernet-Desktop/dp/B00002EQCW) at 1000 mbps which tops out around 115 = MB per second between all machines=2C which is usually disk-limited. For re= ally demanding stuff I have two 750 GB SSDs in RAID1 that get about 800 MB = per second read/write on my main workstation. =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= The mac mini can use bi-directional windows SMB file sharing and the NAS wi= ll read / write easily with mac or pc so it makes my studio platform agnost= ic. You don't even really need OSX server=2C 10.9 works just fine. There ar= e a few small things you have to set up right between systems but it's way = easier than it sounds. And everything gets archived to both the NAS and a b= are external drive every night - I use the drives like tape storage for old= projects=2C 1TB disks are pretty cheap these days. =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= On Sun=2C Mar 23=2C 2014 at 1:43 PM=2C rik bogusz wrot= e: =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= with the cc subscription=2C two installs is authorized On Mar 23=2C 2014=2C at 10:09 AM=2C "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" wrote: =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= I guess the only problem with that is that I would have to have 2 licenses = for AE wouldn't I? =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= On Sun=2C Mar 23=2C 2014 at 1:06 PM=2C rik bogusz wrot= e: =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= I have a similar workflow=2C create/ render to 16bit .png sequence project = on a windows machine. import .png folder to after effects on a Mac mini=2C = (both machines on a gig Ethernet network) output to prores4444.=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= On Mar 23=2C 2014=2C at 9:55 AM=2C "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" wrote: =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Teddy=2C Thanks. So what is the workflow then for this? So=2C I get a mini mac (no= t sure what that is but will research) and then I presume you copy all your= files to a USB drive from PC=2C plug in to mini mac and then? What are yo= u using then for the conversion on the Mac?=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Thanks=2C Eric On Sun=2C Mar 23=2C 2014 at 12:28 PM=2C Teddy Gage wr= ote: =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= I skip prores exports from PC altogether because of those issues=2C and eit= her send DNxHD QTs direct or encode Prores from lossless files on my mac mi= ni / MBP. I'd highly recommend a used recent mac mini as a standalone encod= ing device / server=2C it works great and speeds up workflow=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= On Sun=2C Mar 23=2C 2014 at 11:31 AM=2C Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote: =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Hello=2C I've been using this thing now for a year or so with sort of mixed reviews.= I sometimes get perfect conversions and then other times=2C it will add a= white frame at the end or just slap on a random 5 frames or so of black. = Has anyone had this problem?=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Is there an application out there that people have had better luck with? Thanks=2C Eric=0A= =0A= --=20 =0A= =0A= Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions=0A= =0A= Hidden in the Woods | VFX The Night Visitor | VFX443.206.1347 www.kirkproductions.com =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= kirkproductions@gmail.com=0A= IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/=0A= =0A= =0A= --=20 _____________________________=0A= =0A= VFX & Motion Graphic Artist =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= teddygage dot com=0A= =0A= --=20 Eric D. Kirk | Kirk ProductionsHidden in the Woods | VFX =0A= =0A= The Night Visitor | VFX=0A= =0A= 443.206.1347 www.kirkproductions.com kirkproductions@gmail.com=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= --=20 Eric D. Kirk | Kirk ProductionsHidden in the Woods | VFX The Night Visitor | VFX=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= 443.206.1347 www.kirkproductions.com kirkproductions@gmail.com=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= --=20 _____________________________VFX & Motion Graphic Artist =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= teddygage dot com=0A= =0A= --=20 _____________________________=0A= =0A= VFX & Motion Graphic Artist =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= teddygage dot com=0A= =0A= --=20 Eric D. Kirk | Kirk ProductionsHidden in the Woods | VFX =0A= =0A= The Night Visitor | VFX=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= 443.206.1347 www.kirkproductions.com kirkproductions@gmail.com=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= --=20 Eric D. Kirk | Kirk ProductionsHidden in the Woods | VFX The Night Visitor | VFX=0A= =0A= 443.206.1347 www.kirkproductions.com kirkproductions@gmail.com=0A= =0A= =0A= IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/=0A= =0A= = --_0d16b768-e6e9-4380-9086-3cc41d9ac7bd_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Once the codec is installed=2C d= oes it simply give you that option in the output module? It can do both 4.2= .2 and 4.4.4?

To: AE-List@media-motion.= tv
From: kirkproductions@gmail.com
Date: Mon=2C 24 Mar 2014 20:19:37 = -0400
Subject: Re: [AE] Conversion to ProRes and CINEC

Robert=2C

This one worked like a champ!  = =3BThat's what I needed.  =3BIt has all the required settings and rende= rs direct from AE.  =3BWin win situation here. :)

<= div>Well worth the $50 to have that straight forward process.
=0A= =0A=

Highly encourage this one for anyone else fiddle-f=3Bin= g around with Windows and PorRes. lol

Eric


On = Mon=2C Mar 24=2C 2014 at 5:46 AM=2C Robert Kjettrup <= =3Brobert@stvmayda= y.dk>=3B wrote:
=0A= =0A=
I use Another GUI as Sean mentions to= o=2C but i sometimes also get the extra frames in the end of the ProRes fil= e so i dont use it much.
=0A= =0A=
Another an new thing to consider is this QT codec:
=0A= =0A=
http://www.miraizon.com/products/codecsoverview.html

$50 for a true QT codec that makes it possible to m= ake ProRes directly from AE=2C AME and Premiere. I have not yet bought it= =2C but it seems like good solution=2C hopefully without any issues :-)=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=

But more and more windows apps are getting ProRes suppo= rt (Assimilate Scratch just announced it for v8) so maybe Apple is getting = more relaxed with the license.

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Robert =3B



2014-03-24 = 1:29 GMT+01:00 Mr. Eric D. Kirk <=3Bkirkproductions@gmail.com&g= t=3B:
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Hey Sean=2C

Thanks= .  =3BIdeally=2C this is what I need anyway.  =3BI just want to be = sure I have a solution that really works and is consistent.  =3BI'd pre= fer to not have to go buy a mac just for this unless absolutely necessary.<= /div>=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=

So with this link=2C I see a slightly different user in= terface than the CINEC one but isn't that back end of this thing still the = same with the use of the ffmpeg and all?

I believe= it's the same thing.  =3BSo have you ever noticed it adding any additi= onal frames?  =3BIt's really weird.  =3BI had 31 very small clips l= ike ranging from just 1 second to the longest being about 1 minute (most we= re a couple seconds or so) and out of those 31=2C 29 converted perfectly=2C= while the other two added frames at the end.  =3BThe front part was st= ill fine but I couldn't figure out why it added frames.
=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=

I even re-rendered those from AE to see if that helped = and they still added the frames.  =3BNo logic whatsoever to that.
=

CINEC has a higher paid version which I would consider = too if I knew it was going to be flawless=2C just don't want to pay $100 an= d find it does the same as the standard version.
=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=

Appreciate the insight.

Eric


=0A= =0A= On Sun=2C Mar 23=2C 2014 at 5:41 PM=2C Sean Kennedy <= =3Bmack_dadd2@h= otmail.com>=3B wrote:
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I also have a couple mac minis=2C but I don't have AE= on them. On my main PC workstation=2C I use a free program called Another = GUI to make prores files. It's really easy and totally free=2C and all on a= PC. It doesn't even install anything.
=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=
http://www.authorityfx.com/encoding= -videos-in-prores-4444-on-windows/

Just another = option. :)
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To: AE-List@media-motion.tv
From: teddygage@gmail.com
Date: Sun=2C 23 Mar 2= 014 14:00:39 -0400
=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Subject: Re: [AE] Conversion to ProRes and CINEC

ah= that was the wrong switch... this is the one =3B

http://www.amazon.= com/NETGEAR-ProSafe-Gigabit-Ethernet-Desktop/dp/B0000BVYT3/ref=3Dsr_1_2?ie= =3DUTF8&=3Bqid=3D1395597607&=3Bsr=3D8-2&=3Bkeywords=3Dnetgear+ethe= rnet+switch
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On Sun=2C Mar 23=2C 2014 at 1:55 PM=2C Teddy = Gage <=3Bteddygage@gmail.com>=3B wrote:
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What Rik said=2C I'm pretty sure even a CS6 license = will allow two installs as long as they are not simultaneous. I actually us= e FCP &=3B compressor to automate the workflow with a Qmaster cluster=2C= so I'm using all cores on my macbook pro and the mac mini at once - althou= gh this really works best for huge multi-clip encodes=2C as Qmaster is sort= of finicky. =3B
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I have two PC workstations=2C a mac mini=2C a macbook pro=2C= and a standalone Synology NAS server with external backup=2C all hooked up= to a 5 switch auto-uplink netgear hub (this one =3Bhttp://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-ProSAFE-5-Port-Ethernet-Desktop/d= p/B00002EQCW) at 1000 mbps which tops out around 115 MB per second betw= een all machines=2C which is usually disk-limited. For really demanding stu= ff I have two 750 GB SSDs in RAID1 that get about 800 MB per second read/wr= ite on my main workstation.
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The mac mini can use bi-directional windows SMB f= ile sharing and the NAS will read / write easily with mac or pc so it makes= my studio platform agnostic. You don't even really need OSX server=2C 10.9= works just fine. There are a few small things you have to set up right bet= ween systems but it's way easier than it sounds. And everything gets archiv= ed to both the NAS and a bare external drive every night - I use the drives= like tape storage for old projects=2C 1TB disks are pretty cheap these day= s. =3B
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On Sun= =2C Mar 23=2C 2014 at 1:43 PM=2C rik bogusz <=3Brik.gaijin@mac.com>= =3B wrote:
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with the cc subscription=2C two installs is authorized

On Mar 23=2C 2014=2C at 10:09 AM=2C "Mr. Eric D. Kir= k" <=3Bkir= kproductions@gmail.com>=3B wrote:
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I guess the only problem with t= hat is that I would have to have 2 licenses for AE wouldn't I?




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=0A= =0A= On Sun=2C Mar 23=2C 2014 at 1:06 PM=2C rik bogusz <=3B<= a href=3D"mailto:rik.gaijin@mac.com" target=3D"_blank">rik.gaijin@mac.com>=3B wrote:
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I have a similar workflow=2C create/ render to 16bit= .png sequence project on a windows machine. import .png folder to after ef= fects on a Mac mini=2C (both machines on a gig Ethernet network) output to = prores4444.
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On Mar 23=2C 2014=2C at 9:55 AM=2C "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" <=3Bkirkproductions@gm= ail.com>=3B wrote:

=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Teddy=2C

Thanks.  =3BSo what is the workflow then fo= r this?  =3BSo=2C I get a mini mac (not sure what that is but will rese= arch) and then I presume you copy all your files to a USB drive from PC=2C = plug in to mini mac and then?  =3BWhat are you using then for the conve= rsion on the Mac?
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Thanks=2C
Eric


On Sun= =2C Mar 23=2C 2014 at 12:28 PM=2C Teddy Gage <=3Bteddygage@gmail.com&= gt=3B wrote:
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I skip prores exports from PC altogether because of those issu= es=2C and either send DNxHD QTs direct or encode Prores from lossless files= on my mac mini / MBP. I'd highly recommend a used recent mac mini as a sta= ndalone encoding device / server=2C it works great and speeds up workflow=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=


On Sun=2C Mar 23=2C 2014 at 11:31 AM=2C Mr. Eric D. Kirk = <=3Bkirkproductions@gmail.com>=3B wrote:
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Hello=2C

I've been using this thing now for= a year or so with sort of mixed reviews.  =3BI sometimes get perfect c= onversions and then other times=2C it will add a white frame at the end or = just slap on a random 5 frames or so of black.  =3BHas anyone had this = problem?
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Is there an application out there that people have had = better luck with?

Thanks=2C
Eric
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