Return-Path: Received: from mail-oa0-f43.google.com ([209.85.219.43] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5423063 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 02 Apr 2014 18:19:58 +0200 Received: by mail-oa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id eb12so533393oac.16 for ; Wed, 02 Apr 2014 09:21:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=ZX/OvGdFGCI5Y/pV7JhTamAF2lc3dCFG/xXFkGdm2WI=; b=Gf8pUW+M5QyPjsai3BgtVq8kcMiD9vqZ18+/2frgOcPDZ6V7ZYwZFe5nxLx9EPH0yQ ze6UyLPePrLwLjrYz8VHKIMlMG7oJ2cqtIb9EQ+soxvzR2vthjKklmqAQX7v4rsC8oQb UW8at/MlvzKtyMnOhXBWTiU45lS+DQlqEJtyFA9sPreQHoTB05vhlyODrginaCtaUkiX 85M3r9zztS4Nw74WOkwuoYsIhr9cnNICiEaFpB4bW0oKg3zl/t8O08H29xEU9h6WZjFU yc4pdBbA9P3OyZ7I/TWtAC7ONj0N5UbYsPmzLr9Q8e6a26vQdU9a9J3Hy5z8jnc6o+fB bfdg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ZX/OvGdFGCI5Y/pV7JhTamAF2lc3dCFG/xXFkGdm2WI=; b=HtWReldViTtzRHjww0ZE4Wu3gPMyXGYDhG+QQnoqMNE4eN63yJSyAreO0ZQZbyJoMu Lmi5/QPKxF6IYIY2XNEcNUyLIu91LlyEyPveq4y6DZL1g7qm+FWocbYRgePPrBM77Xb1 hf/U5YTdfdYlriWo5FIFTwO+X2BpWfbUPBP9doSn9SBNbPESM0KrU3ysd1AB3DdSG+xZ aFtSbBb1Vpp184doVvjLN/lWiOb7PNzT7ra14XpMHH7oYpRCmzL2x0M+PdpD6Z4bh+xr SXxUCJ79JOhz0L8ffEARyTyZpNM2kQaCdbMGiSonttaB6z0/9g36Bh9r6DWwmdyu+ZGC YDXw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQknrg4kI2xwoSTDXhGO0gFbSMjz6VvjsPixy/zD1Npf5RfvneHk1Lr4uN0pCtVy67NWx0EZ MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.134.137 with SMTP id pk9mr891175oeb.40.1396455681911; Wed, 02 Apr 2014 09:21:21 -0700 (PDT) Sender: micke@teeling.se Received: by 10.76.153.129 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Apr 2014 09:21:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [83.241.128.35] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 18:21:21 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: oJL2kSDJdFDd8SLRB5bAhcI4ke0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] First question on list (TimeRemapping pre comps) From: Micke Teeling To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b471dfaddb14c04f611ac82 --047d7b471dfaddb14c04f611ac82 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You could also apply a posterizeTime expression to the time remap: posterizeTime(12.5); value; Where 12.5 in this case would be half the comps frame rate and only update the frame count every second frame. Try it, might sometimes be more elegant than baking animation and using hold keyframes. Best Micke Teeling *www.flowcine.com * *Mail: micke@flowcine.com * *Phone: +46 70 333 92 11* On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Tor Martin Norvik < tormartin@tilnaermetlik.no> wrote: > I think you hit the nail Robert, I had a feeling that the interpolation o= f > animated frames vs sequenced images could give some different result > regarding to TimeRemapping. > But you was able to spell it out :) > > Yes, proxies is also a nice solution. But they should be =ABpermanent=BB > proxies. If AE change from proxies to the =ABreal=BB comp at render time,= the > problem would still occur. > > Changing keys to hold frames does indeed do the trick! > > Thanks! > > Tor M > > > 2. apr. 2014 kl. 11:35 skrev Py Fave : > > > or use proxies > > it' simpler > > > > > > 2014-04-02 11:06 GMT+02:00 Robert Kjettrup : > >> Hi > >> > >> i think your problem is that the animated psd is using the native AE P= SR > >> keyframes, and AE will automaticly interpolate the animation of those, > and > >> that is a very nice feature, but it sound like the other pre-comp you > have > >> is a sequence of images, that will ofcourse not be smoothly > reinterpolated > >> to a new slower animation, making the 2 comp not to sync up anymore. > >> > >> One solution could be to bake the keyframes of the psd, as you have > tried, > >> but after that convert all the keyframes to Hold keyframes so that whe= n > you > >> timeremap the master comp the animating psd will jump at the same > >> timeinterval as the image sequence. > >> > >> This can still fail though if you dont timestretch to a slow/speedup > with an > >> integer value (x2, x3, x4, or /2, /3, /4) as AE can put keyframes on > >> "subframes" (frame numbers like 5,333) and with an image sequnce AE > cant do > >> that but will just take the nearest frame. This can cause some of the > frames > >> from the 2 comps to some times be 1 frame out of sync. > >> So keep the timestrech value to 50%, 100%, 200%, 300% etc. and you > should be > >> good to go... with an jumpy animation though :-D > >> > >> > >> Maybe i misunderstood you question, then im sorry for the lengthy > response > >> :-) > >> > >> Robert > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> 2014-04-02 9:17 GMT+02:00 Tor Martin Norvik >: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> I have followed this list for several years now, what an extraordinar= y > >>> great resource for After Effects. > >>> > >>> I have something that I am wondering about regarding timeremapping a > pre > >>> comp where you have layers with PSR animation. > >>> > >>> If my pre comp is 12 frames long and I want to extend it to be 24, I > just > >>> add the necessary time remapping keys. So far so good! > >>> But this offsets some of my animation in the pre comp? > >>> > >>> In my pre comp there are two layers, one is another pre comp with 12 > >>> images sequenced after each other and the other layer is a .psd which > is > >>> animated and superimposed on the pre comp with sequenced images. > >>> > >>> So: > >>> PreComp A > >>> - Child preComp > >>> - Animated .psd > >>> > >>> If I timeremap PreComp A, the animated .psd does not follow the layer= s > in > >>> Child preComp. > >>> > >>> > >>> I find it a bit hard to describe it in a more elegant way, but please > >>> chime in if you have experienced something similar and found a nice > >>> solution. > >>> I have tried =ABbaking=BB all keys on the animated .psd, thinking tha= t > could > >>> help. But the only solution so far is to render the pre comp A out to= a > >>> sequenced .png and TimeRemap it. > >>> > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Tor Martin > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> TILN=C6RMET LIK AS > >>> pb 1127 Sentrum, 0104 Oslo, Norway > >>> Office: Akersveien 25 > >>> Org.nr.: 990 687 536 > >>> www.tilnaermetlik.no > >>> tormartin@tilnaermetlik.no > >>> (+47) 913 51 290 > >>> twitter: norvik > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > +---End of message---+ > > To unsubscribe send any message to > > > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to > --047d7b471dfaddb14c04f611ac82 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You could also apply a posterizeTime expression to the tim= e remap:

posterizeTime(12.5);
value;

Where 12.5 in= this case would be half the comps frame rate and only update the frame cou= nt every second frame.
Try it, might sometimes be more elegant than baki= ng animation and using hold keyframes.


Best
Micke Teeling




www.flowcin= e.com=A0
Phone:=A0+46 70 333 92 11


On W= ed, Apr 2, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Tor Martin Norvik <tormartin@tilnaer= metlik.no> wrote:
I think you hit the nail Robert, I had a feeling that the = interpolation of animated frames vs sequenced images could give some differ= ent result regarding to TimeRemapping.
But you was able to spell it out :)

Yes, proxies is also a nice solution. But they should be =ABpermanent=BB pr= oxies. If AE change from proxies to the =ABreal=BB comp at render time, the= problem would still occur.

Changing keys to hold frames does indeed do the trick!

Thanks!

Tor M


2. apr. 2014 kl. 11:35 skrev Py Fave <pyfave@gmail.com>:

> or use proxies
> it' simpler
>
>
> 2014-04-02 11:06 GMT+02:00 Robert Kjettrup <robert@stvmayday.dk>:
>> Hi
>>
>> i think your problem is that the animated psd is using the native = AE PSR
>> keyframes, and AE will automaticly interpolate the animation of th= ose, and
>> that is a very nice feature, but it sound like the other pre-comp = you have
>> is a sequence of images, that will ofcourse not be smoothly reinte= rpolated
>> to a new slower animation, making the 2 comp not to sync up anymor= e.
>>
>> One solution could be to bake the keyframes of the psd, as you hav= e tried,
>> but after that convert all the keyframes to Hold keyframes so that= when you
>> timeremap the master comp the animating psd will jump at the same<= br> >> timeinterval as the image sequence.
>>
>> This can still fail though if you dont timestretch to a slow/speed= up with an
>> integer value (x2, x3, x4, or /2, /3, /4) as AE can put keyframes = on
>> "subframes" (frame numbers like 5,333) and with an image= sequnce AE cant do
>> that but will just take the nearest frame. This can cause some of = the frames
>> from the 2 comps to some times be 1 frame out of sync.
>> So keep the timestrech value to 50%, 100%, 200%, 300% etc. and you= should be
>> good to go... with an jumpy animation though :-D
>>
>>
>> Maybe i misunderstood you question, then im sorry for the lengthy = response
>> :-)
>>
>> Robert
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2014-04-02 9:17 GMT+02:00 Tor Martin Norvik <tormartin@tilnaermetlik.no>:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have followed this list for several years now, what an extra= ordinary
>>> great resource for After Effects.
>>>
>>> I have something that I am wondering about regarding timeremap= ping a pre
>>> comp where you have layers with PSR animation.
>>>
>>> If my pre comp is 12 frames long and I want to extend it to be= 24, I just
>>> add the necessary time remapping keys. So far so good!
>>> But this offsets some of my animation in the pre comp?
>>>
>>> In my pre comp there are two layers, one is another pre comp w= ith 12
>>> images sequenced after each other and the other layer is a .ps= d which is
>>> animated and superimposed on the pre comp with sequenced image= s.
>>>
>>> So:
>>> PreComp A
>>> - Child preComp
>>> - Animated .psd
>>>
>>> If I timeremap PreComp A, the animated .psd does not follow th= e layers in
>>> Child preComp.
>>>
>>>
>>> I find it a bit hard to describe it in a more elegant way, but= please
>>> chime in if you have experienced something similar and found a= nice
>>> solution.
>>> I have tried =ABbaking=BB all keys on the animated .psd, think= ing that could
>>> help. But the only solution so far is to render the pre comp A= out to a
>>> sequenced .png and TimeRemap it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Tor Martin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> TILN=C6RMET LIK AS
>>> pb 1127 Sentrum, 0104 Oslo, Norway
>>> Office: Akersveien 25
>>> Org.nr.: 990 687 536
>>> www.= tilnaermetlik.no
>>> tormartin@tilnae= rmetlik.no
>>> (+47) 913 51 290
>>> twitter: norvik
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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