Return-Path: Received: from mail-ve0-f169.google.com ([209.85.128.169] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5452254 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 15:32:43 +0200 Received: by mail-ve0-f169.google.com with SMTP id pa12so3021657veb.28 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 06:32:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=KT9980etET3LARr0UgIjjRtEkkSCn+bTsbpp3fCRjyg=; b=qGhNAqBVUCJwelwwpwkZBjqfxKEokUCclO9/B/3ybhj7H54vwSLrFXhEbHON5aR337 9Ucz1JTvgW3L0ILlojGZkqY+P1dRgHJcF9I6r5cc7A/2ZLsMvwS0qqPgmu6GfoWT/jSY kWu64cYhlyQGElMUEc/1HM7EfPHWM7C9xJpRzaI8+7/RsVjcBqEez4pCsKqN4hwbYb4W YvqGqegKh86UFXIiNM7n6tojkRPSec5/KvcEB34oEVLcia3OU5IcbzSKVrGjdiZLzDjw e1RPAjHeaSD8hgZ+uKlUMtgQxEoYOJP3YzcwlLVVwygREO++LpvEZZMBgnkHAFhx4l4P DGWA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.202.106 with SMTP id kh10mr766541vec.31.1398346361675; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 06:32:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.228.103 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 06:32:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 14:32:41 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Frame rate for digital file From: Vorn Hancock To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bdc945e2925c904f7c9e2cd --047d7bdc945e2925c904f7c9e2cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hello people, I've been a lurker on this list for a number of years and thought I should add my ten cents to this thread. Rather than lend my friends a DVD I thought I would rip an episode of a television series and see if they could play it on their smart TVs. Both were Sony Bravias. The televisions in question refused to play any of the formats I initially produced and stuck in their USB sockets (Bravia KDL32W5500 and 32EX503 to be precise.) I downloaded the manuals and discovered that I should be using the mpg format. Okay. So I converted the file to mpg. Hmm. That didn't work either. Next I discovered that it needs a particular type of streaming mpg. A Windows program converted the mpg but annoyingly the television wouldn't recognise the new file on the stick, even after power cycling the TV. I beleive it wasn't unmounting the USB stick. Then I discovered that Adobe Media Encoder could create the correct type of file. Almost there I thought but the 'gotcha' was that the AME file was larger than 4Gb. Formatting a USB stick using FAT does not allow for larger files. Formatting to ExFAT (I'm on a Mac) produces a formatted stick that will accept larger files but the format isn't recognised by televisions. :-( Not too sure how much of the above is pertinent to the original question but I hope some of the information might be of interest to some of you. vorno On 24 April 2014 14:20, Chris Zwar wrote: > I'm going to sound a bit pedantic, but there is no PAL or NTSC any more. > They were analogue transmission standards and they're history. Once > you're in the digital world there's just resolution, frame rate, and either > progressive or interlaced. Even interlacing seems to be on the way out. > > If you have a TV that is new enough to play a digital file from a USB > stick or other device then it will be able to play any common frame rate > and resolution. > > Digital files already come in a range of resolutions, most commonly 1280 x > 720 and 1920 x 1080. But there are many others - especially if you start > looking at downloaded or ripped movies that were originally letterboxed. > And frame rates - you'll find 23.976, 24, 25, 29.97, 30 and more. A > modern TV can handle all of these different resolutions and frame rates. > > I don't think a Sony or a Samsung TV will have any problems with a .mov, > but you might find some obscure TVs that prefer a mp4 rather than a .mov. > But basically - if you have a TV that can play files off a stick then it > will be able to handle 1920 x 1080 @ 25 fps. > > If you have a master file you're compressing for delivery then it isn't > too hard to make a range of different files to avoid compatibility > problems. It's not hard to deliver an MP4 and a MOV, for example. And if > you're compressing on a Mac then Apple's built-in defaults for apple TV and > iTunes devices are worth trying too. > > -Chris > > > On 24/04/2014, at 10:48 PM, marc lawrence > wrote: > > Esteemed AE professionals, > > I'm rendering an HD 1920x1080 25fps AE sequence. The client intends to > play the digital file from a dongle directly into a TV. > Do I need to ensure I have both NTSC and PAL frame rate versions if they > are taking it to the US (I'm UK based) or will the 25fps suffice? > > I'm also rendering with QT using H264, if anyone knows of a better format > to render to for this particular purpose I would appreciate the feedback. > > Many thanks for any help given folks, > > Marc > > > -- "You are alone and that's the truth and also it is tragic Yet in your eyes you have the touch and that, my friend, is magic" --047d7bdc945e2925c904f7c9e2cd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello people,

I've been a lurker on= this list for a number of years and thought I should add my ten cents to t= his thread.=C2=A0

Rather than lend my friends a DV= D I thought I would rip an episode of a television series and see if they c= ould play it on their smart TVs. Both were Sony Bravias. The televisions in= question refused to play any of the formats I initially produced and stuck= in their USB sockets (Bravia KDL32W5500 and 32EX503 to be precise.) I down= loaded the manuals and discovered that I should be using the mpg format.=C2= =A0

Okay. So I converted the file to mpg. Hmm. That didn= 9;t work either. Next I discovered that it needs a particular type of strea= ming mpg. A Windows program converted the mpg but annoyingly the television= wouldn't recognise the new file on the stick, even after power cycling= the TV. I beleive it wasn't unmounting the USB stick.=C2=A0

Then I discovered that Adobe Media Encoder could create= the correct type of file.=C2=A0

Almost there I th= ought but the 'gotcha' was that the AME file was larger than 4Gb. F= ormatting a USB stick using FAT does not allow for larger files. Formatting= to ExFAT (I'm on a Mac) produces a formatted stick that will accept la= rger files but the format isn't recognised by televisions. :-(

Not too sure how much of the above is pertinent to the = original question but I hope some of the information might be of interest t= o some of you.

vorno




On 24 April 2014 14:20, Chris Zwar <chris@chriszwar.com> wrote:
I'm = going to sound a bit pedantic, but there is no PAL or NTSC any more. =C2=A0= They were analogue transmission standards and they're history. =C2=A0On= ce you're in the digital world there's just resolution, frame rate,= and either progressive or interlaced. =C2=A0Even interlacing seems to be o= n the way out.

If you have a TV that is new enough to play a digital file f= rom a USB stick or other device then it will be able to play any common fra= me rate and resolution. =C2=A0

Digital files alrea= dy come in a range of resolutions, most commonly 1280 x 720 and 1920 x 1080= . =C2=A0But there are many others - especially if you start looking at down= loaded or ripped movies that were originally letterboxed. =C2=A0And frame r= ates - you'll find 23.976, 24, 25, 29.97, 30 and more. =C2=A0A modern T= V can handle all of these different resolutions and frame rates.

I don't think a Sony or a Samsung TV will have any = problems with a .mov, but you might find some obscure TVs that prefer a mp4= rather than a .mov. =C2=A0But basically - if you have a TV that can play f= iles off a stick then it will be able to handle 1920 x 1080 @ 25 fps.

If you have a master file you're compressing for de= livery then it isn't too hard to make a range of different files to avo= id compatibility problems. =C2=A0It's not hard to deliver an MP4 and a = MOV, for example. =C2=A0And if you're compressing on a Mac then Apple&#= 39;s built-in defaults for apple TV and iTunes devices are worth trying too= .

-Chris


On 24/04/2014, at 10:48 PM, marc lawrence <marc_lawrence123@hotmail.com>= wrote:

Esteemed AE professionals,

I'm rend= ering an HD 1920x1080 25fps AE sequence. The client intends to play the dig= ital file from a dongle directly into a TV.=C2=A0
Do I need to en= sure I have both NTSC and PAL frame rate versions if they are taking it to = the US (I'm UK based) or will the 25fps suffice?

I'm also rendering with QT using H264, if anyone kn= ows of a better format to render to for this particular purpose I would app= reciate the feedback.

Many thanks for any help giv= en folks,

Marc




--
"You = are alone and that's the truth
=C2=A0and also it is tragic
=C2=A0= Yet in your eyes you have the touch
=C2=A0and that, my friend, is magic"
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