Return-Path: Received: from atl4mhob02.myregisteredsite.com ([209.17.115.40] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5452703 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 25 Apr 2014 04:17:13 +0200 Received: from mailpod.hostingplatform.com ([10.30.71.210]) by atl4mhob02.myregisteredsite.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s3P2HA1x024761 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 22:17:10 -0400 Received: (qmail 30641 invoked by uid 0); 25 Apr 2014 02:17:09 -0000 X-TCPREMOTEIP: 60.225.102.245 X-Authenticated-UID: chris@chriszwar.com Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.4?) (chris@chriszwar.com@60.225.102.245) by 0 with ESMTPA; 25 Apr 2014 02:17:09 -0000 From: Chris Zwar Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_625A2FCA-EB44-440A-9D9A-512B8B82B3F4" Message-Id: <971E1CAC-B4A7-4868-9DAB-63144BBDAD5B@chriszwar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Subject: Re: [AE] Frame rate for digital file Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 12:17:07 +1000 References: To: "After Effects Mail List" In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) --Apple-Mail=_625A2FCA-EB44-440A-9D9A-512B8B82B3F4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Vorn has a point, I have a Samsung TV and it plays pretty much everything. Oddly enough = though the matching Samsung Blu-ray player, which also plays from USB = sticks, is more fussy about file formats. So some things play on the TV = but don't play through the blur-ray machine. My friend also has a Sony Bravia and as Vorn says it's much more fussy = about file formats. I was very surprised to discover that his Sony = Bravia does not play mkv files, for example. So it would seem to depend on the TV itself and if you can find out the = exact type of TV that is being used, you can always check the manual = online for more information. I would suggest that an MP4 file will be the safest bet though, using = H264 encoding. You might need some guidelines regarding bit rate. If = you want high quality, you're probably looking at anywhere from 5000 - = 20000 kbps. -Chris On 24/04/2014, at 11:38 PM, marc lawrence = wrote: > Great thanks Chris! > M >=20 > To: AE-List@media-motion.tv > From: chris@chriszwar.com > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 23:20:04 +1000 > Subject: Re: [AE] Frame rate for digital file >=20 > I'm going to sound a bit pedantic, but there is no PAL or NTSC any = more. They were analogue transmission standards and they're history. = Once you're in the digital world there's just resolution, frame rate, = and either progressive or interlaced. Even interlacing seems to be on = the way out. >=20 > If you have a TV that is new enough to play a digital file from a USB = stick or other device then it will be able to play any common frame rate = and resolution. =20 >=20 > Digital files already come in a range of resolutions, most commonly = 1280 x 720 and 1920 x 1080. But there are many others - especially if = you start looking at downloaded or ripped movies that were originally = letterboxed. And frame rates - you'll find 23.976, 24, 25, 29.97, 30 = and more. A modern TV can handle all of these different resolutions and = frame rates. >=20 > I don't think a Sony or a Samsung TV will have any problems with a = .mov, but you might find some obscure TVs that prefer a mp4 rather than = a .mov. But basically - if you have a TV that can play files off a = stick then it will be able to handle 1920 x 1080 @ 25 fps. >=20 > If you have a master file you're compressing for delivery then it = isn't too hard to make a range of different files to avoid compatibility = problems. It's not hard to deliver an MP4 and a MOV, for example. And = if you're compressing on a Mac then Apple's built-in defaults for apple = TV and iTunes devices are worth trying too. >=20 > -Chris >=20 >=20 > On 24/04/2014, at 10:48 PM, marc lawrence = wrote: >=20 > Esteemed AE professionals, >=20 > I'm rendering an HD 1920x1080 25fps AE sequence. The client intends to = play the digital file from a dongle directly into a TV.=20 > Do I need to ensure I have both NTSC and PAL frame rate versions if = they are taking it to the US (I'm UK based) or will the 25fps suffice? >=20 > I'm also rendering with QT using H264, if anyone knows of a better = format to render to for this particular purpose I would appreciate the = feedback. >=20 > Many thanks for any help given folks, >=20 > Marc --Apple-Mail=_625A2FCA-EB44-440A-9D9A-512B8B82B3F4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Vorn has a = point,

I have a Samsung TV and it plays pretty much = everything.  Oddly enough though the matching Samsung Blu-ray = player, which also plays from USB sticks, is more fussy about file = formats.  So some things play on the TV but don't play through the = blur-ray machine.

My friend also has a Sony = Bravia and as Vorn says it's much more fussy about file formats.  I = was very surprised to discover that his Sony Bravia does not play mkv = files, for example.

So it would seem to depend = on the TV itself and if you can find out the exact type of TV that is = being used, you can always check the manual online for more = information.

I would suggest that an MP4 file = will be the safest bet though, using H264 encoding.  You might need = some guidelines regarding bit rate.  If you want high quality, = you're probably looking at anywhere from 5000 - 20000 = kbps.

-Chris

On = 24/04/2014, at 11:38 PM, marc lawrence <marc_lawrence123@hotmail.com<= /a>> wrote:

Great thanks Chris!
M

To: AE-List@media-motion.tv
Fro= m: chris@chriszwar.com
Date: = Thu, 24 Apr 2014 23:20:04 +1000
Subject: Re: [AE] Frame rate for = digital file

I'm going to sound a bit pedantic, but there is no = PAL or NTSC any more.  They were analogue transmission standards = and they're history.  Once you're in the digital world there's just = resolution, frame rate, and either progressive or interlaced.  Even = interlacing seems to be on the way out.

If you have a = TV that is new enough to play a digital file from a USB stick or other = device then it will be able to play any common frame rate and = resolution.  

Digital files already come = in a range of resolutions, most commonly 1280 x 720 and 1920 x 1080. =  But there are many others - especially if you start looking at = downloaded or ripped movies that were originally letterboxed.  And = frame rates - you'll find 23.976, 24, 25, 29.97, 30 and more.  A = modern TV can handle all of these different resolutions and frame = rates.

I don't think a Sony or a Samsung TV = will have any problems with a .mov, but you might find some obscure TVs = that prefer a mp4 rather than a .mov.  But basically - if you have = a TV that can play files off a stick then it will be able to handle 1920 = x 1080 @ 25 fps.

If you have a master file = you're compressing for delivery then it isn't too hard to make a range = of different files to avoid compatibility problems.  It's not hard = to deliver an MP4 and a MOV, for example.  And if you're = compressing on a Mac then Apple's built-in defaults for apple TV and = iTunes devices are worth trying = too.

-Chris


On 24/04/2014, at 10:48 PM, marc lawrence <marc_lawrence123@hotmail.com<= /a>> wrote:

Esteemed AE = professionals,

I'm rendering an HD 1920x1080 25fps AE = sequence. The client intends to play the digital file from a dongle = directly into a TV. 
Do I need to ensure I have both NTSC = and PAL frame rate versions if they are taking it to the US (I'm UK = based) or will the 25fps suffice?

I'm also = rendering with QT using H264, if anyone knows of a better format to = render to for this particular purpose I would appreciate the = feedback.

Many thanks for any help given = folks,

Marc
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